Imprisonment #3: Due 6:00 PM CST Thursday

[Judge Sam]

Time to pick someone to be Imprisoned.


You cannot select Judith.


All Spies must offer their own opinions, ideas, options, and votes. No one will be bullied or left out in this democracy. Because there are so many Spies, it may be difficult to come to a consensus quickly. It is therefore recommended that you list a variety of options.


When you are ready to make your final vote, post it here. You can change your vote at any time. I will then count the votes, the person with the most votes will be Imprisoned. With 5 people there's really no reason to create voting priorities because there will always be one person with a majority. If you are the only one voting for someone and it's close to the deadline, post one other vote you would support if no one else votes for your first choice.

[Bebe]

ok so obviously there are people we can't choose:

judith - immune

one of us - duh

arthur, shane, carrie, jack - we need their votes


i am very unsure of where to go from here.

trina - i think we should keep her because she's my #1 citizen ally right now and i think each of us needs to have one

sujata, matthew, brooks - i think at least 1 of these 3 will vote themselves out of the game. even all 3 isn't that remote of a possibility.

jordan - i am not sure on him. claire thinks we should use him for his vote but i am not sure if he will be around to vote. he is the most active inactive left in the game.

miles - i have no idea on him cuz we haven't really talked

jennipher - same as miles

anneliese - i do want her to go soon but i don't know how crucial she is to anyone else's plans

reicheru - if the goal is to get judith out, it seems to me like getting reicheru out now would be smart cuz she'd be an obstacle to overcome. but again i haven't ever talked to her so she's not crucial to me and might be to the rest of you.

audrey, taylor, bruce - these guys need to go too. the thing that hurts me is i don't want to eliminate a player who hasn't gotten the chance to vote in a single exile. i don't want my heart to ruin our chances of winning though, so i am stuck.

[Jessica]

I am thinking that we might want to make an imprisonment that would make as little of a ripple as possible. That meaning, one of the secret mission players that our secret mission spies dont have a good relationship with (not hate relationship, just neutral.

So for that reason I think bebe's list of:

audrey
taylor
bruce

are all good options.

If any of the other secret mission spies disagree on these three being the best targets of secret mission players, feel free to speak up. And if anyone thinks any of the originals would be good targets, dont let me discourage you from voicing your opinions.

[Bebe]

ok no seriously why aren't we getting anneliese out? if she really is telling people, like claire, about her role, then raphael and i should have no problem piping up after she's gone and saying she said she had a role

"why did the spies imprison anneliese?"
"i dunno, she told me she had a role, she didn't even know me why did she tell me? who else did she tell? maybe she also told a spy"

and if she's gone, she can't confirm/deny who she told.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I read the recent development with Anneliese after I posted in this thread, we may want to take her out depending on whether or not she tells others.

[Bebe]

if she's telling everyone, then it makes the people who say "she didn't tell me" look like liars.

[Raphael]

I agree with Jessica but take Taylor out. I wouldn't mind Bruce or Audrey though. I feel that I may be able to use Taylor. I have seemed to have made a connection with her, but as Bebe told me she is doing that with everyone. But my vote is for Bruce or Audrey because they seem like they could be wild cards.

[Jessica]

I am just worried that it could be a big trap. Anneliese does not strike me as the person who would make a mistake that would make our lives so easy.

[Raphael]

Or I guess Anneliese. I haven't talked to her yet, but you guys seem to know more about whats going on that I do. And I appologize for that because I really want to do well in this game, but I am just absolutly SWAMPED with school right now. I am hoping for it to die down soon. But what ever you guys decide is fine with me.

[Bebe]

yes i too am concerned that there is more to her role than she is telling us, like the part about what happens if a spy posts in their confessional it destroys the bunker - i am not sure if believe that, i think that part is the trap.

the problem with anneliese is i think everyone really trusts her, not in a "oh i want to trust her but she's too good to be true" way that people have about taylor, but in a real honest to gosh "i really think she's a citizen" way.

and that means we can't exile her.

which means down the line we will either have to imprison her, or allow her to be one of the remaining citizens at the end (spies win when they outnumber citizens).

i guess i am ok with holding off on imprisoning her this round, maybe until we figure out what her power really REALLY is or we decide screw it, we're gonna take our chances. but i am not scared of her.

[Tenchi]

In the past few days, I have thought of a small set of criteria of who to imprison. Basically, the goal is to make imprisonments vague so the older players don't stick out too much as to who is the spy.

Right now, there is concentrated suspicion on the older players, and I think we don't need more suspicion there. If you noticed, almost everyone who was in the game Day One has a reason to be Exiled, while the newer players simply have less reasons to be Exiled.

Reicheru and Anneliese are my two biggest allies. Right now, where I need information on the new players, is NOT the time to imprison them. Both of these citizens are the most trusted in our group, so I guess it can be fun to try to raise suspicions on them. Otherwise, they may be Exiled tow or three rounds later. I like Bebe's point on imprisoning Anneliese (where we suddenly claim we know she has a role) though we should hold it off for the next rounds for now.

I all go for imprisoning one of the three (Just like Jessica)

Audrey
Taylor
Bruce

Now new fellows in crime, pick one that satisfies the criteria:

1. Somebody that nobody expects.
2. Somebody who can turn out to be a threat later in the game (somebody who is most probably bogged down in real life or seeking out information but not saying much suspicion yet, somebody who is wise, but not necessarily intelligent).
3. A semi-inactive (not online all the time)
4. From the new group, since the older group people will be most likely to be Exiled in the next two-three exiles.

Pick one of the three. I will post my thoughts later once I talk to more people.

[Tenchi]

I VOTE BRUCE.

[Claire]

Anneliese is going to tell EVERYONE and she's going to word it in a way that everyone will believe her role and that she is a citizen! She's a very smart cookie. I think Anneliese needs to go. However, before hand we need her to tell people who she told about this role. Lets say she tells Raphael, Bebe, Jessica and I (sorry Tenchi she told you about the bunker) and she lets 5 citz know she told us about her role. Why would we imprison her knowing the risk of a spy going. It would make us look more like a cit! I'm scared that if we don't imprison her soon then she'll think I'm a spy and scared to imprison her!

[Jessica]

I doubt she would throw around accusations with such little proof. She would have to assume you are a spy in order for that logic to work. Her logic would basically boil down to "If Claire is a spy, she is a spy".

All of our imprisonments so far have been low impact choices. If we continue with this pattern, she cant draw conclusions on pattern inconsistencies since she "revealed" to you.

Also, this isn't the first time Anneliese has done something like that. She was worried about being imprisonned round two so she went to Jack and said "If I am imprisoned, they will come for you". Also, no one else is supposed to know that, so keep it quiet.

[Tenchi]

Don't fret Claire about Annie too much.

I will tell you any REAL information she gives me and Jessica. I think we both are in a position to verify her hunches.

Try to deal with the other Citizens. You may want to try your luck with Jack too.

[Claire]

I'm not freting! But I'm also not imprisoning Bruce because a lot of people don't trust him and think he's spyish. Why imprison him then?

[Jessica]

Do you think either audrey or taylor would be better options?

[Claire]

I would say out of those two Audrey. Why not Trina though?

[Raphael]

I would have to vote audrey because I haven't spoken with her much, nor have I seen her online. But I will be on a lot today because I only have one class, so feel free to IM me even if I do have an away message up.

[Jessica]

claire said:

I would say out of those two Audrey. Why not Trina though?

Bebe says that trina is her #1 citizen ally, as well as the fact that she may have protection because of this possible gift giver role.

Since claire and raphael seems to think that audrey would be the best choice of those 3 to imprison, I will vote for Audrey.

Are there any others that you think would be a good option Claire?

[Claire]

I thought it was Taylor that was safe... I want taylor gone for reason's that are in the secret mission info thread.

[Tenchi]

Seeing the posts... people find Taylor useful. Bruce on the other hand is Spy-ish and I think I have established a good relationship with him.

I change my vote to Audrey.

[Claire]

If people find Taylor useful, why not get rid of her before people start to take her word as gospel? Audrey on the other hand is just kinda there.

[Tenchi]

People in my sentence mean Spies.

Gomen ><

[Claire]

please explain how YOU find her useful!

[Tenchi]

raphael said:

I I feel that I may be able to use Taylor. I have seemed to have made a connection with her, but as Bebe told me she is doing that with everyone. But my vote is for Bruce or Audrey because they seem like they could be wild cards.

And.

bebe said:

Audrey - she is very active, very involved. she helped take charge on the second challenge. smart cookie. i think i have an okay connection with her.

Basically, I haven't talked to Audrey so just get her out so I'd have less one person to think about lol. But from the three, she seems to be the person who is least awkward (for Spies) to Imprison.

[Claire]

Why does it have to be lease awkward? Don't you want the citz to be confused? Don't you want them to be mad that one of their trusted citz is going? They already want us out...may as well make them mad and confused about it!

[Tenchi]

Anger is actually a morale booster. If we make people angry (like imprisoning Reicheru or Anneliese), it would be likely that more information gets passed around, like people calling out people at the Burg. If that happens, one of us can get caught in the crossfire. Right now, the Burg mood is careful and cautious, not hostile and angry. With careful and cautious, we are able to monitor the exchange and flow of information since people are taking things slow.

And this way, slow and confused is MUCH better. More room for misinformation and manipulation.

spies3Claire: i hope i'm not making you think too much
spies3Claire: i tend to do that to ppl
spies3Tenchi: Its ok. its healthy.

Edited for spelling.

[Claire]

Okay I can agree with that. But I still don't understand why Audrey instead of Taylor. I think Taylor is more of an immediate threat to us. She is way more active, trying to get goody goody with everyone. She's trying to spread a lot of info. If we show the citz that someone that does that is going to be imprisoned, woudln't they be less inclined to give out info?

[Tenchi]

Again, Citizens think we are imprisoning because they are an immediate threat.

Again, as Spies, we are imprisoning because we find somebody as a threat in the later round and not an immediate threat.

The difference puzzles a lot of people, take Leena's case.

BTW: This is only for the first few rounds. This will change quite soon.