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Post by Tenchi on May 18, 2007 20:53:51 GMT -5
CONGRATULATIONS for a mission success and surviving another Exile! However, its going to get ugly from here. But I believe we are in a good position to ensue chaos. From what I can see, the five of us are more or less separated and have our own little trust groups, except Raphael who is comfortably floating around (which is a good thing since we cant all be vocal). I think the core of this episode will be trying to divert attention from Bebe and Claire. We can do this! Post any notes that can form Strategies in here.
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Post by Jessica on May 18, 2007 20:57:59 GMT -5
I can see a lot of anger between arthur and shane boiling over to a possible versus match between them. We will definately have to keep an eye out for an opening to pit them against eachother.
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Post by Jessica on May 18, 2007 21:00:38 GMT -5
Also, arthur's recent post in the burg makes him look like a spy trying to extract citizen auxilery roles. Definitely something to play on.
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Post by Bebe on May 18, 2007 21:06:58 GMT -5
he's pretty happy with himself.
if trina decides to reveal herself to arthur, she will tell me, and then she will also know about other roles if there are any if arthur shares roles with other roles.
anneliese will never tell arthur, i think. she hates his guts.
but who knows, someone might be suckered in.
so yeah i am going to try hard to be under the radar this round. with 12 people voting for judith though aka 8 citizens who may believe i had a legitimate reason to and don't suspect me, i should be ok. if anything, i have spy backup + my allies who have my back so i should be able to see anything that's coming.
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Post by Tenchi on May 18, 2007 21:20:57 GMT -5
Raphael, is it possible for you to come up with some goody role to shake things around for Arthur? ![:P](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif) Just an evil thought. I am TEMPTED to imprison Arthur, but Annie and Shane really thinks he is an ass. It would be nice to get him Exiled. ![:P](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif)
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Post by Claire on May 18, 2007 21:22:28 GMT -5
Def. exile don't waste an imprisonment
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Post by Bebe on May 18, 2007 21:38:07 GMT -5
the thing about arthur is, people might actually trust him and tell him their roles. and since he doesn't talk much, we can't really learn a lot by watching him.
too bad the next imprisonment isn't for a few days.
but now we think he may not have a role. ok we know anneliese does. we know trina does. but none of their roles involve spy-identification.
this leaves us with: jordan - i do not think he has a role, i think he'd care more if he did
matthew - not sure
taylor - i'm thinking gift giver or SOMETHING
brooks - i hope not, but it's possible
carrie - i think she would have mentioned it to SOMEONE in her defense. this group has 5 pairs of ears, plus we're in most groups, and none of us have heard anything. plus she doesn't seem to have any allies yet and she's not hinting at any spy suspicions, so i think she does not have any roles.
miles - don't know
bruce - he hasn't hinted at anything but he can keep a secret i bet. he's not a gift giver i think because he suspectrs trina and trina got a gift. i am not exactly ruling him out yet as a role holder.
shane - he hasn't hinted at anything to me. he also said the only person he told me he really trusted was jack, and there have been 2 imprisonments since imagine. if he identified a spy in one of the rounds, i think he would've voted for them because he told me how disgusted he was at people who did not think carrie or judith was a spy but voted for them anyway.
Reicheru - possible she had a role? if she did who would she tell?
Jennipher - possible she had a role? if she did who would she tell?
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Post by Tenchi on May 18, 2007 21:44:44 GMT -5
If Rei had a role, she would tell me and Anneliese.
The thing is, Rei has been distant with me recently. I don't know if she is just busy with real life or suspicious of me.
If Jennipher had a role, she would tell Jessica and Judith, maybe Reicheru.
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Post by Tenchi on May 18, 2007 23:40:04 GMT -5
Hmmm... on the other thing, why would Reicheru and Judith protect Jennipher in the first round so much? Do you have an idea Jessica?
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Post by Bebe on May 19, 2007 0:14:43 GMT -5
just while i'm thinking about arthur's plan:
we have 1 of 3 choices:
do nothing - ok bad idea
imprison arthur - might be a good idea, might not - it would send a message to the citizens "see what happens when you stick your neck out" but it also might make him a martyr.
infiltrate arthur's group - if we were to try this, i think claire or raphael should be the mole. i already told arthur i don't have a role. i could renig later and say that i decided to tell him after i thought about it, but i don't think he'll buy it.
the thing is, i do not think arthur will share his information with ANYONE, not even with the people who claim to have roles. he wants to be a filter, a sort of one way street, where people tell him things and he tells everyone else and no one but him knows anything. so i do not think there is any real point in trying to infiltrate his group because i don't think there will be a group. you see how talking to him can be like pulling teeth. he won't let anything slip and a big part of that is just his personality.
so i am in favor at this point of imprisoning him especially cuz if we do it now, people might not be as quick to connect it to judith.
but then again they might try to connect both judith's exile and arthur's imprisonment to protecting me.
ok something to ponder then.
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Post by Jessica on May 19, 2007 8:12:06 GMT -5
Hmmm... on the other thing, why would Reicheru and Judith protect Jennipher in the first round so much? Do you have an idea Jessica? It was actually rei's plan to get out jakub. She and I had talked about jakub earlier so she went to me when she wanted him out. I agreed and told her I could get jenn and miles because jenn might be in risk. Rei's plan wasn't intended to save jenn. As for how to deal with arthur, I think he could be an easy exile target. We can push the idea that he is a spy trying to get a counteragents name so they can deal with the counteragent before he gains too much momentum. I find it very odd that someone would just request to be a focal point. You cant just say "Alright everyone, tell me everything important".
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Post by Tenchi on May 19, 2007 10:12:39 GMT -5
Still, I think it would be more fun to infiltrate his group. Claire and Raphael?
The fun thing about Arthur is that he is rarely online. Therefore, we (or even one person) can spread information faster than he can.
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Post by Jessica on May 19, 2007 11:49:50 GMT -5
I am all up for infiltrating it. I didn't know Arthur trusted me until I saw it on the threat table. I had better keep that bond in case I need to run to him.
Do you think raphael or claire should claim counteragent? Or a less powerful role?
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Post by Bebe on May 19, 2007 15:50:59 GMT -5
ok guys seriously think about this.
arthur is the kind of guy who doesn't ask any questions, ever. getting information from him is like pulling teeth.
he's not offering to make an alliance among people with roles. he's offering to be a mouthpiece for those who are.
in other words, there will not be any groups to infiltrate. the only thing that will happen is arthur will gather all information, and if you want him to say something to the group as a whole, he will.
i'm not sure if i'm getting my point across here - arthur will not share what he heard from 1 person with another person. there's no way you can infiltrate his group because there won't be a group.
the only thing that will happen if one of us makes up a role is arthur will say "ok mystery person #1 told me he is a counteragent and that jessica is a spy".
arthur will just be a mouthpiece. do we need him to be one? if so then yes fine someone make up a role and talk to him. if we don't need a mouthpiece, then let's just get rid of him.
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Post by Raphael on May 19, 2007 16:26:46 GMT -5
Damn, you people work fast, but what kind of goody role are you thinking of Tenchi?
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Post by Bebe on May 19, 2007 16:27:49 GMT -5
arthur's post in the burg in the role thread confirmed what i said above.
the only person who will know everything is arthur.
if we can't make people paranoid enough about him, let's toss him.
worst case scenario: the psychic, if there is one, or the gift giver might save him a round.
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Post by Jessica on May 20, 2007 16:31:57 GMT -5
I am thinking that Anneliese might have jenn as her main target. And I am also planting a theory in Jenn's head that anneliese could be a spy.
We might get them at eachothers throats.
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Post by Tenchi on May 20, 2007 21:00:39 GMT -5
Jack is defending me. Wow...
I hope everybody will be online tomorrow, since I will be only to post in the boards during that time (I have work to do). I will be online the whole time before Exile though.
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Post by Bebe on May 20, 2007 22:42:26 GMT -5
OK GUYS LISTEN UP CAUSE THIS IS A BIGGIE
tenchi, you're getting saved.
new target: reicheru
here is why it will work:
in round 3 bruce was given a gift by the gift giver. he was THE ASKER - allowed to ask if someone has a role. as we know thanks to jessica and trina, he asked about reicheru, and that he was told she did NOT have a role. which means reicheru is either a spy or a citizen.
fast forward to this round
spies3trina: anneliese pm'ed reicheru if she had a role spies3trina: and reicheru said yes spies3Bebe: omg spies3trina: so reicheru lied.
spies3anneliese: spies3Reicheru<!-- (11:14:19 PM)-->: My role is called "seer".
busted.
and when we find out reicheru isn't a spy?
we're still covered. look at how amazing bebe is:
spies3Bebe: ok also wait 1 question spies3Bebe: what if bruce is a spy and he really did get to ask sam? spies3trina: tahts one thing i asked anne spies3trina: but she is 100% sure bruce is not a spy spies3Bebe: ok but if reicheru is not, then i think bruce is spies3trina: yeah spies3Bebe: one of them is lying here spies3Bebe: wow spies3trina: yah spies3Bebe: so is reicheru the target this round? spies3trina: yes spies3trina: so im targetting reicheru this round instead of tenchi spies3trina: are you up for that? spies3Bebe: i will have to think about it spies3Bebe: but given what you just told me spies3Bebe: about how bruce said she does not have a role and she says she does and how one of them must be lying spies3Bebe: and how i trust that you are telling me the truth on what bruce said spies3trina: yeah spies3Bebe: and on what gift the gift giver gave spies3Bebe: then yes i will vote reicheru spies3trina: i just hope bruce dont htink im a suspect spies3trina: so thats why i think he's a spy spies3trina: if he doens't trust me spies3trina: cuz i will be so untrustworhty o him spies3trina: so when u told me, i was like...wtf spies3Bebe: oh boy trina this could be the first spy exile of the game and you will have made it all possible! spies3Bebe: this is so freaking exciting i want ot jump up and down spies3trina: lol im trying to link things together spies3trina: if reicheru isnt a spy ...poof spies3Bebe: then we got one the next round with bruce
i am prevoting reicheru.
i suggest raphael use both of his votes for reicheru.
shane will vote for reicheru if we make it urgent - he has 6 self votes against him this round for saving anneliese - more on that in another thread - so he will want a majority of votes. jack will probably also to protect him.
we're looking good right now, guys and gals.
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Post by Bebe on May 20, 2007 23:04:31 GMT -5
also, if worst comes to worst, some of us can vote for shane since he already has 6 prevotes.
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Post by Bebe on May 20, 2007 23:35:20 GMT -5
reicheru is attempting to save her ass in the burg now. so long as we call her a liar and continue to let jack grill her, we stand a chance.
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Post by Jessica on May 21, 2007 6:05:13 GMT -5
OMG, I love you bebe. And trina. I can just imagine that when rei is revealed as a cit, trina might shoot bruce... delicious...
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Post by Tenchi on May 21, 2007 9:16:08 GMT -5
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NO WAY... I just played the "Good Citizen Ally" card when I should have played the "Evil Backstabbing Boyfriend".
I'm sorry, but I will do with what I have right now.
Thank you guys.
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Post by Raphael on May 21, 2007 14:56:06 GMT -5
Hey guys, I just had a thought about this exile leading into the next episode.
IF and only IF it looks like there is no hope for Tenchi, some of us throw our vote for him. As of right now it looks like it is going to be between him and Reicheru. So as for my extra votes, I was possibly thinking of giving each of them a vote. I do not want to see you go Tenchi, and this is only under the condition that there looks like there is no hope. But if Reicheru does go this round and than people will want him gone next round. But than going into the following imprisionment we go for either Trina (who knows WAY too much) or Reicheru, someone that people will know is a cit as they have stated that if one is exposed as a spy or cit, than the other is the oposite.
This is just a thought and maybe could be used in the EXTREME situtation that there is no hope. But there can always be hope.
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Post by Tenchi on May 21, 2007 16:52:27 GMT -5
Confirmation please. Hoe many prevotes does shane have? Four or Six?
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Post by Jessica on May 21, 2007 16:55:37 GMT -5
Public knowledge says 4, but bebe said said 6. I'm not sure if bebe will be around to confirm or deny anything.
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Post by Bebe on May 21, 2007 17:51:28 GMT -5
you saw the transcript. he said 6.
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Post by Tenchi on May 21, 2007 18:51:50 GMT -5
Ok. Annie is good making this hell for me with the timestamps but I'm not giving up.
I will post tomorrow morning and double check with the times to make sure I don't screw up.
Build on Reicheru.
Tell me, should I keep on going for Annie or should I make amends?
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Post by Bebe on May 21, 2007 20:05:27 GMT -5
i use aim 5.0 and it does not automatically do timestamps. i can't provide any timestamps on any convos i've had, actually, cuz i leave the feature turned off.
anneliese has not decided between you and reicheru as far as i know. reicheru is working her butt off to give a solid citizen case, so i would also recommend talking to anneliese AND trina
spies3trina: i really dont want to vote for tenchi ugh.. spies3Bebe: what i thought you said last night you thought he was a spy spies3trina: but reicheru is making herself seem so citizenlike lol
oh one other thing, tenchi, you need to clean this up:
spies3trina: ugh only one thing is stopping me from voting tenchi spies3trina: and its the fact that tenchi told me he "jokingly" had the ability to know if someone is a spy or not spies3trina: and that kills me lol spies3Bebe: oooo spies3Bebe: do you think he'll admit to it? spies3trina: probably not spies3Bebe: hmmm now i am curious spies3trina: ok well anneliese just told me. spies3Bebe: she stood you up spies3Bebe: oh what? spies3trina: Anneliese (spies3Anneliese) 8:11 all he said is you should be careful, and he has an ability to tell you are a citizen. Spies can tell who's a citizen lol spies3trina: made a good point lol spies3trina: even though tenchi said "i have ability to tell if your a citizen" spies3Bebe: yes it is a good point spies3trina: so do spies rofl
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Post by Claire on May 21, 2007 20:10:27 GMT -5
tenchi!
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