|
Post by Bebe on Jun 4, 2007 23:31:44 GMT -5
hee hee yes jack is inconsistent.
i told brooks jack suspected him, and he told me jack suspected me.
spies3Brooks: who doesn't he suspect spies3Brooks: in the past 24 hours or so spies3Brooks: he has mentioned more than half of the game
|
|
|
Post by Tenchi on Jun 4, 2007 23:41:15 GMT -5
I just want to warn everybody though: Its going to be a dirty tomorrow. Definitely NOTHING will be settled tonight (as always). Thats why people tomorrow should work double. ![:P](http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif) GUYS... I KNOW YOU GUYS CAN DO IT! (Still waiting for the Citizen PM.)
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 4, 2007 23:54:41 GMT -5
spies3Brooks: if who jack rallys for ends up being a cit spies3Brooks: i am voting for him next time
brooks won't be online after 4 pm cst, so we need to grab him before that.
i talked to him and he's willing to vote arthur. i didn't ask him about anyone else, just tried to plant ideas in his head that maybe jack is a spy and shouldn't be followed.
|
|
|
Post by Claire on Jun 5, 2007 6:49:10 GMT -5
Who are we rallying for? ONE NAME PLEASE
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 6:59:51 GMT -5
well jack might be rallying for you, claire, but he keeps changing his mind so this is a good thing. brooks was right, he's saying basically every secret mission person's name except for jordan & taylor's.
so who from our group needs to go? i'd say matthew or brooks, and then we make a big deal out of how no one's saying bruce.
or maybe bruce, heck we all want him to go anyway.
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 7:32:24 GMT -5
Tenchi, I will get onto your citizen PM right now.
I am thinking I want jack gone. I could totally see it doable. His inconsistancies are just making it more possible. I'll work arthur and Jordan, and do you guys think brooks would agree with me?
|
|
|
Post by Tenchi on Jun 5, 2007 8:36:31 GMT -5
From the way Jack is being inconsistent, Brooks would be for it.
And yes, the PM is amazing! Damns sweet. I want to forward it to Reicheru though... would that be OK?
|
|
|
Post by Tenchi on Jun 5, 2007 8:55:48 GMT -5
Nevermind. I just PMed Rei telling her I'm voting Jack to "protect her".
|
|
|
Post by Claire on Jun 5, 2007 9:29:26 GMT -5
so jack then?
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 10:39:21 GMT -5
I'm not sure if Rei would agree with the part about her following jack, so I don't think the argument will fly with her.
And unless there is a big last minute shift, I think Jack will get it.
Also, whoever can't make it tonight, before you leave could you post who your final vote is for, just incase we need to swing it, so we can be sure where your votes are.
|
|
|
Post by Raphael on Jun 5, 2007 11:20:34 GMT -5
I want to vote Jack, but I am not sure. I have voted for him the last two exiles, one of which was revealed the other was Trina's do or die. But I was thinking if Jack stays this round, I would make one big post calling him out and saying that I know that I haven't been accusing many people or made much of my opinions public, but we are down to the final exile if we do not catch a spy and I feel if I don't attempt to put my two cents in now, I might as well just be a spy. Then from there continue with how Jack always seems to call people out and have them exiled, and when they are exiled, what happens? It ends up being a citizen. He has also stated that he knows for a fact that Reicheru is a citizen. How else could he know this for a fact unless he is a spy. I know about his theory of the bunker, but who is not to say a citizen did not post the word on accident. (Then from there I could say) "I did not really think about it, but I had posted the word as part of one of my confessionals calling a bunch of people in the game juvinille." (Make up fake confessional with the word in it and post along with it) (I would also need your guys help to figure out how many times I would have had to say it in order for things to match up)
I then would plan on posting this the day of exile, let things stir up, hopefully Jack gets exiled, and SPIES WIN! That is if Jack isn't exiled tonight. But I would love all of your input for this. I would like to try and start to write the post soon and then post it for the next one. So just let me know what you think.
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 11:36:14 GMT -5
Well either way, Jack is wrong ATM. So there is no harm in letting him have his way as long as we create enough distrust for next round.
But I do like your point about people possibly accidentally posting the word.
|
|
|
Post by Raphael on Jun 5, 2007 12:50:38 GMT -5
Here is what I have so far, and I left out the part of accidently posting the word. I do plan on changing the numbers and names as it fits with what happens. But here it is and tell me what you all think:
All right guys, I know that I have been pretty quiet this whole game with my opinions on who is a spy and who isn’t. But it is really down to the wire and I don’t think I could live with myself if I did not at least try. So let me start off with who I feel/know is a citizen.
Known citizens are Jordan, obviously, and Taylor as the gift giver as Jack already pointed out. Taylor revealed this to me, shortly before she revealed it to some others (from my understanding with the conversation I had with her). Finally, Jessica as proven by Bebe with the win of challenge 2.
So that leaves Jack, Claire, Bruce, Matthew Reicheru, Arthur, Tenchi, Brooks, and Bebe. (I am not including myself as I know that I am a citizen but am not confirmed)
Bebe:
I have strong feelings that Bebe is not a spy because I have been very close with her from the start of the secret mission. She had my name and we hit it off. I have not detected any type of change in her actions/way she speaks since we first met. We did not find out our roles until several days into the game, in which case I think I would have picked up on something. She is either a REALLY good spy, or a citizen. In my book, I believe her and everything she has said. So I see her as CITIZEN, thus proving that Jessica is a citizen as well.
This leaves Jack, Claire, Bruce, Matthew, Reicheru, Arthur, Tenchi, and Brooks.
I do not have any strong feelings on any of them as being citizens. This leaves me with a 62.5% chance of hitting a spy, a pretty good chance at that.
The only one that stands out to me the most as being a possible spy is Jack.
He has done so many things in this game that have not been completely consistent. The first of which was when he called out Bebe and publicly accused her as being a spy, but then turned around and did not vote her at the next exile. He seemed too quick to change his mind. If he really believed that Bebe was a spy, he would have stuck to his guns.
Next, he always seems to be apart of the group that gets a citizen exiled and part of the original “Bunker Bunch.” Each and ever time that we have an exile; he seems to have some sort of connection with that citizen being exiled. As for Miles’ exile, he more than likely knew that Miles was going to be exiled, and did not vote for him so that a connection could not really be made. But for most of the exiles before, he has been apart of the “Bunker Bunch” which is the reason why only citizens have been exile.
Jack also seems to be in-the-know about everything that is going on. How does he know so much? The only reason that I can see is that he is being fed information from his fellow spies. As we have all seen, he is extremely smart, and haven’t we all been out smarted by the spies? So why wouldn’t one of the smartest be a spy?
Now, one other point that could be made in Jack’s defense is if he is a spy, why would he put himself out there so much and be on everyone’s radar if he is a spy? Well, he could be using a strategy of being too out there that he absolutely cannot be a spy; the perfect cover, and possibly why we haven’t uncovered a spy yet.
As for Claire, Bruce, Matthew, Reicheru, Arthur, Tenchi, and Brooks, I am not sure who out of them could or could not be a spy. I have not seen too much on any of these players. That is why I am proposing Jack to be exiled.
If Jack is a spy, than it possibly be safe to say that Reicheru is a spy as well seeing how she has stood up for him and has refused to vote for him when Tenchi was trying to rally people to vote Jack the exile that Trina used her do or die power.
So right now many of you may be asking why I have waited so long to come out and say anything. Well, to be very honest with you, I was not totally sure that Jack was a spy and did not want to go accusing too soon. I did not feel as if I had enough “evidence” against him and thought that it would not be wise to start accusing till I was sure I had what I thought was enough evidence.
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 13:34:38 GMT -5
i don't feel like there's any evidence in that post either. you can do better.
i'd mention things like:
- trading votes with tenchi in round 2 to get tenchi's trust - the spies clearly wanted judith out - see the spies teaser - and jack helped convince people to vote for judith
just stuff like that.
|
|
|
Post by Raphael on Jun 5, 2007 13:36:49 GMT -5
Ok, thanks Bebe, I will work on it!
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 13:37:07 GMT -5
If you are going to post something like that in the burg you better be ready to argue it hardcore and have noting there that you don't truly agree with. Jack is great at arguing and he will pick apart any inconsistency and throw it back in your face. Also, with the recent connection he has made with you and Claire, you will have to be very careful. If he can malign you, he will set up you and Claire's exiles one after another.
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 13:49:41 GMT -5
i agree with jess - maybe posting that isn't the best idea.
i am voting for matthew, btw. i'll explain why later.
|
|
|
Post by Raphael on Jun 5, 2007 13:52:33 GMT -5
I agree, I just read Jack's post about using my name as bait with Claire. I do not want to get in the middle of things right now, Jack is just too dangerous.
|
|
|
Post by Claire on Jun 5, 2007 13:55:04 GMT -5
If Jack is a spy, than it possibly be safe to say that Reicheru is a spy as well seeing how she has stood up for him and has refused to vote for him when Tenchi was trying to rally people to vote Jack the exile that Trina used her do or die power.
don't post that raphael, and the reason jack suspects raphael is because he hasn't voiced his opinion. but what connection?
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 15:31:31 GMT -5
It is possible for jack to be a spy and rei not being one. I am working under the assumption of rei being confirmed, but just mislead.
|
|
|
Post by Claire on Jun 5, 2007 15:39:47 GMT -5
ummm poss. i suppose i mean we have citz following us so yea
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 15:53:04 GMT -5
Brooks is eating it up. He is going very soon and wont be back and is leaving his vote on Jack.
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 16:06:29 GMT -5
do we want brooks to vote jack? is jack the target this round? if so i'll change my vote to jack.
|
|
|
Post by Claire on Jun 5, 2007 16:13:20 GMT -5
JACK IS THE TARGET HE NEEDS TO GO
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 16:16:24 GMT -5
Yes, we need JACK OFF
|
|
|
Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 16:18:14 GMT -5
ok so:
there's 13 people this round. 7 votes is majority. we control 5.
rundown of who will vote for jack:
yes: brooks, arthur;
no: jack, reicheru;
maybe: matthew, jordan, taylor, bruce
let's try and pull over some of the swings so some of us can afford to not vote for jack.
ok catch you all later.
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 16:22:44 GMT -5
I talked to bruce earlier, he was torn between jack and arthur, but was leaning arthur. I would think that logically he would want jack now since Jack seemed to throw his target elsewhere.
|
|
|
Post by Jessica on Jun 5, 2007 16:23:39 GMT -5
Also, I will be back on AIM at 7 CST, but I need to go in 30 minutes.
|
|
|
Post by Tenchi on Jun 5, 2007 16:29:01 GMT -5
I voted JACK OFF.
|
|
|
Post by Raphael on Jun 5, 2007 16:40:44 GMT -5
I would prefer not to be one to vote out Jack as I have said to some people today that I was leaning towards Bruce and Arthur. But I guess I could say some of the reasons that i put in above and say that I thought about hard before the vote and relized those things.
|
|