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Post by Tenchi on Jun 8, 2007 20:23:25 GMT -5
Shut up Claire, I apologized and tried to make things work. I try to keep you protected with the best information and the best ideas I have.
Not if you don't cooperate and will bitch me around EVERY SINGLE POST and EVERYTIME I SEE YOU ON AIM, I will push for your Exile if I have to.
Go find another person to bully.
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Post by Claire on Jun 8, 2007 20:29:31 GMT -5
omg, you are b****y this episode. i wasn't trying to be mean to you! i told you to shut up so i can read the post you were making me read and you know how much i hate reading long chats and the whole time you were IM-ing me.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 8, 2007 20:32:53 GMT -5
Ok, well this is what I have to say about Reicheru bringing me up with the challenge and persuasion(sp). I was on but everyone one was too busy with the challenge, and I left the challenge before one team even one and I signed off. I was not around till the next day, after the investigation took place, there for I could not have done anything to minipulate Bebe.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 8, 2007 20:35:49 GMT -5
Nah, I think I sort of cleared you with her. You have to try talking with her tomorrow though. To get you a bit lower on her list. (?) Remember, it was Jack and Bruce who was supposedly manipulated Bebe.
And yeah, Claire, its a monthly thing. You should've seen Jessica when we started this one month ago. So hard when you're a guy...
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Post by Claire on Jun 8, 2007 20:37:42 GMT -5
a "guy" lol get back on AIM!
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Post by Raphael on Jun 8, 2007 20:39:52 GMT -5
Ok, I was just saying as my proof that I had nothing to do with it. And I wrote up a 3 page thing about who I think are spies and in order. I can post it here if you would like, and than post it in the burg if it passes approval.
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 0:25:57 GMT -5
so do we get to see it, raphael?
tenchi and claire, stop fighting. it's counterproductive.
plz keep updating things here as we go along.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 9, 2007 2:09:31 GMT -5
I suggest we all relax today. Its a Saturday after all, plus we have a long day tomorrow.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 9, 2007 9:04:26 GMT -5
ok, here it is, just for you bebe
So now I will give my two cents on everyone about being a spy, as it has been said, there can be no harm that comes of it.
So, let us start with the confirmed people: Taylor-Gift Giver
This leaves Claire, Bruce, Jessica, Matthew, Reicheru, Arthur, Tenchi, Brooks, and Bebe.
Let me start with who I feel is less likely to be a spy.
Bebe: We have had a good time, and as you stated we’re buddies. We have talked ever since the beginning from when you contacted me in the secret mission and we have had some sort of connection from there. SO why do I feel that out of the remaining group of people you are less likely to be a spy? Well, it is because we have gotten along so well and that I feel like I can trust you for the most part. But that is only a small part of the reason. The biggest part is that your demeanor of talking to has never changed from the beginning. You seem to have been the same from the time we started our secret mission right up till now. If you were give a spy role when we were assigned our roles, than you have done an excellent job at hiding it and deserve an Oscar. Because I from getting to know you, if you were given a spy role than I am pretty sure that I would have detected some sort of change from when we were given our roles.
Next on the list is Jessica. Because I firmly believe that Bebe is a citizen, than she had no reason to lie about her award for winning challenge 2, thus proving to me that Jessica is a citizen. I wish I could write more on Jessica, but I can’t. Sorry.
This leaves us with Claire, Bruce, Matthew, Reicheru, Arthur, Tenchi, and Brooks. 5 spies, two citizens (as I know that I am a citizen). As I am not sure who out of those 7 are spies, in order of most likely to be a spy, I would have to rank them: Matthew Arthur Tenchi Brooks Bruce Claire Reicheru
Now, for my reasoning as to why I believe each is a spy and why they are where they are on my list. Matthew: He has been a lone voter in the exiles. Why could this be? I have thought about this, and the only reason that I can see fit is so that he will not be associated with anyone so that we cannot connect him with fellow spies. The note from the ousted players even states “stray = spy”. Now Matthew is the first one to point out that they could be talking about him because of his stray votes. Would a spy be so blatant to point this out? NO, but would a spy want to have us think that they are one of us? YES, I see it as him trying to create the perfect cover. One other thing that I have noticed as well is that he has been overly annoying and people just want him to go away. It all just seems too much like an act and is a little TOO over the top. If he is putting on an act, then what is stopping him from putting on an act with fellow spies ( i.e. Arthur).
Arthur is next on my list. This is partially due to the fact of him and Matthew seemingly putting on a front and not really getting along. Also, in my opinion, I see Arthur as helping the former Bunker Bunch to leading us the wrong way with exiles. He could be so good with words that he helped push them along the way of pushing for yet another citizen to be exiled.
Next comes Tenchi. There has always been something a little off about Tenchi to me and I cannot quite put my finger on it. The first thing, and I guess kind of the only thing, that I cannot get pass is the whole Bunker issue. He seemed to have been covering his tracks a lot back then and kept on asking questions. I see this as him stalling for time to make up a flawless story to get himself out of the situation. That is also the main reason why I had voted for him in the exile that I had (the exile of Carrie), which almost ended up as his exile because of his self votes (which also seem kind of odd to me still). One last thing that I cannot also get pass is how he has seemed to have gone missing from time to time. When I first came into this game (after being revealed as a secret missioner) he was on all the time, and has since seemed to have disappeared every now and then.
After Tenchi we have Brooks. I do not have too much to say on Brooks, except for the fact that it was brought to my attention that he was working with Anneliese, who just so happened to be imprisoned. Kind of makes for a good cover because if he is a citizen, he wouldn’t want her to be imprisoned, in turn, some what clearing his name.
Fifth on my list is Bruce. I only say Bruce because he seemed TOO balls to the walls (pardon the expression) after Jack’s exile. This just seemed too desperate coming from a citizen and raised some suspicion in my mind. As for right now though, if he is a citizen, I commend what you have done and the Bravery it took you to do so. I have great respect.
Next is Claire Bear. I have had minimal conversations with Claire and do not have a very good read on her. I do not have anything against her and is why she is low on my list.
Finally is Reicheru. We haven’t talked much, but when we have it has been quite sufficient. From my perspective, she comes off as a genuine person who is smart and only wants good to come of what she does. She does not seem fake, and I really enjoy talking to her, and is why she is on the bottom of my list.
So I ask you, if you have any questions, I would be pleased to answer them.
Finally, I feel that we should all post our lists as to who we believe are the spies. Put everyone’s name on the list (1-10 not including yourself because you would obviously put yourself last) as to who you think is most likely to be a spy. 1 being most likely and 10 being less likely. I think this would be a good way for us to decide on who to vote for at exile. Also, we should assign point values to each number, and who ever has the less amount of points should possibly be the one to go.
My list would be: 1. Matthew 2. Arthur 3. Tenchi 4. Brooks 5. Bruce 6. Claire 7. Reicheru 8. Jessica 9. Bebe 10. Taylor
So with that, Matthew would have 1 point, Arthur 2 points, Tenchi 3 points ect.
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 9:27:28 GMT -5
hmmm i'm wondering about your placement of brooks. right now people are ok thinking raphael is a spy to fill in the blanks, and remember, we're using brooks as a trap. so placing brooks higher might actually be a good thing here.
thoughts guys?
jessica i see you are online, did you talk to taylor or brooks (or reicheru) at all yesterday? i am bursting with curiosity.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 9, 2007 9:47:45 GMT -5
I talked to Brooks and he seems to think the trap is our best bet. He also didn't want me to tell Reicheru, but it seems a bit too late for that.
I didn't see Taylor online, but I PMed her with all the info, and the plan to trap spies.
Also, Bebe, I'm not telling you this *wink*
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 10:01:51 GMT -5
lol i know. i haven't heard a thing.
good move with pming taylor and talking to brooks.
can i see part of your convo with brooks? i'm sort of giddy at the idea of seeing how things are working out.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 9, 2007 10:09:48 GMT -5
Raph: Remove the "bear" on Claire. Makes you look so close eventhough you are not.
Other than that I don't know if you should go ahead or wait for Jessica to do her plan. I'm not really sure.
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 10:15:23 GMT -5
i agree with tenchi on the "clairebear" part, only i call her that.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 9, 2007 10:25:44 GMT -5
Raph, hold this post. We are not sure yet on how things will turn. We need Jessica...
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 10:28:47 GMT -5
i typed this to tenchi and i think it needs to be said here.
arthur will always be a big suspect. ben never ever pleads for himself, never begs for votes, never tries to change anyone's mind. he will be a big suspect till the end.
matthew is perceived as being stupid, so anything he does - whether he continues to act stupid or he tries to break out logic and persuasion - will make him seem like a spy. he will also continue to be a huge target.
brucie however is too smart for his own good. if anyone has a chance of turning this game on its head and convincing people to change their minds, it's him. we need to contain him, and also not let reicheru talk to him if we can help it.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 9, 2007 10:54:57 GMT -5
Ok, I will remove the CalireBear part, and I only put Brooks where he was as I thought there was more info on tenchi in my citizen mind than I had on brooks. If that makes any sence. But I will hold off on posting it.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 9, 2007 10:57:29 GMT -5
But I just want to be clear on Brooks, do I have his info right? Because I couldn't remember if he was working with her or against her.
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 10:58:42 GMT -5
brooks wasn't working with anneliese. he EXPOSED her, remember?
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Post by Raphael on Jun 9, 2007 11:00:42 GMT -5
Some what. I will rework why I believe Brooks is as spy.
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Post by Claire on Jun 9, 2007 13:37:21 GMT -5
tenchi keep doing your plan with reicheru but don't push me too much she's trying to trick you...trust me
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 14:39:10 GMT -5
so in regards to not defending claire:
i don't plan on defending claire if her name comes up.
right now we have brooks and taylor and jessica forming a core of "confirmed" citizens. they need to be able to count 5 spies. and if they count matthew, arthur, brucie, raphael, and claire, then bam, right there you have 5.
i am hoping that reicheru, brooks, and taylor will have jessica in the 6-member citizen group. that's 4. if reicheru believes i'm being set up, brooks and taylor still don't suspect me, i can be the 5th. then reicheru pulls in tenchi for the 6th person.
all of us fall neatly into place - 6 citizens, 5 spies.
so if claire's name comes up, i can't passionatly defend her without them thinking, "say maybe we should trade raphael with bebe". but when claire's name comes up, we'll steer the conversation back to "which of the 5 should we exile" and then choose matthew, brucie, or arthur.
at least, that is how i hope this will work.
thoughts?
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 14:42:33 GMT -5
claire, in the gift giver thread you said reicheru said you were a confirmed citizen. i reread both of the convos tenchi posted, and she certainly does not think you are a citizen.
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Post by Claire on Jun 9, 2007 15:05:34 GMT -5
reicheru made a group of confirmed citz and i'm in it with taylor and some others so yea
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Post by Claire on Jun 9, 2007 15:06:03 GMT -5
SHE DOESNT' TRUST TENCHI
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 15:07:23 GMT -5
ok what happened, claire? what did she tell you and have you actually talked to taylor?
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Post by Jessica on Jun 9, 2007 15:07:54 GMT -5
She seemed to plant suspicion of Tenchi in Brooks head too. See more in my conversation in the gift giver thread.
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Post by Claire on Jun 9, 2007 15:08:43 GMT -5
i;ll be home in about 40 minutes from work. we'll talk then
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Post by Jessica on Jun 9, 2007 15:13:41 GMT -5
Good, I'm getting lonely..... *goes of to increase blocky score*
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Post by Bebe on Jun 9, 2007 15:13:55 GMT -5
guys keep all strategy points for this round in here, ok? it's making me all confused.
spies3Brooks (3:15:25 PM): im going to tell arthur that an investigation happened today spies3Brooks (3:15:34 PM): tell him nothing more than that spies3Jessica (3:15:27 PM): no spies3Brooks (3:15:40 PM): i just want to see his response spies3Jessica (3:15:32 PM): he may see it coming
i told you brooks was a huge blabbermouth.
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