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Post by Jennipher on May 29, 2007 19:01:18 GMT -5
What have I said from jump about Jack being a SPY. Not news to me....I was exiled because no one would believe me, but when they are all gone and realize I was right...They should then kick themselves, REALLY HARD!!
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Post by Judith on May 29, 2007 23:16:00 GMT -5
Oh my, the suspense is killing me! I wonder who was exiled? My updated spy list: BEBEJACKTRINATAYLORREICHERU [ I hope not ] Oh, this icon tickles my funny bone! I believe I was the first person to use the word, I'm shocked it caught on! Oh, it was so true too!!
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Post by Shane on May 29, 2007 23:18:08 GMT -5
Well, the night we had that Imprisonment where someone was saved, I'm 99% certain it was Anne who was saved. Why? Because it was my doing that saved someone. I had the chance to save as many people from Imprisonment as I wished, and I went with Anne, Arthur, Jack and Rei. Anne is the logical choice for who was saved. After she was saved, I told her about my ability, and I also told Jack and Bebe. Jack then posted a message on the board saying "someone" told him they saved Anne, but not that it was me, but the next day people were connecting my name and the "savior", and I doubt Anne told. I doubt it was also Bebe though, as she's been MIA lately. Anyways, I passed my ability on to Raphael, so hopefully he's a Citizen as well, but I don't doubt that he is.
Taylor posted a message in the Burg saying she had a gift from the Gift Giver (ability confirmed by Sam) that she was able to pick two people and say if they matched. She picked Anne and Trina, and said they matched, thus both Spies, or both Citizen. Now, Taylor may be lying to cover Trina up, but she'd only lie if they were both Spies. Anne was a good person to target with this, as she's basically confirmed, yet people still doubt her. Why? Because Anneliese posted the other day that her entire role is fake and that she made the entire thing up. Shocking, this seems to be a trend. Trina and Rei also did this exact same thing.
As for Jenn's Exile, that was Jack and Anne's doing. For the most part anyway... Jack went around saying that Jenn was asking Anne for her words, saying Jenn said that the words were wrong, and asking why her bunker wasn't broke if she posted. Basically trying to set Jenn up to look like a stupid Spy, and people bought into it. Thus Jennipher going.
For Carrie, it was basically your Exile, Judith. You targeted Carrie, and you were a Citizen, and some people wanted to make sure Carrie wasn't a Spy. I voted for Carrie, like ten hours before votes were due. I worked that night and would not be on. I didn't think my vote would matter, and I was trying to go a new route, as my old views seemed way off. Rei said the Carrie vote had to be done either way. Tenchi refused to vote, and almost got voted out because of it.
As for the past few days... why knows. I was on vacation for the weekend, and when I got back yesterday I saw I was Imprisoned. The Spies picked a good time to pick me, as I had an ability, an I got the "people need to listen to me" award, which I'm sure would've gotten Jack Exiled, as I would've went after him tonight if I was in the game still, and if he's a Spy, I'm sure he was aware.
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Post by Judith on May 29, 2007 23:31:47 GMT -5
A terrible, terrible loss. I find it interesting that the most level-headed, useful citizens were exiled/imprisoned (those in here). It is terrible to see the spies take an easy win. Just, terrible! Perhaps the number of spies was too great? On paper it surely does not seem that way, but while playing the game I must admit that 5 may be easier for the spies than 3! Then again, once one spy goes, the others may not be too difficult to weed out?
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Post by Judith on May 29, 2007 23:49:23 GMT -5
Oh I have the most terrible feeling in my old bones that another citizen was caught... such a terrible gut feeling... this would mean that there are 9 citizens and 5 spies... oh dear... two rounds left and with such high numbers the spies could take this home... oh dear, oh dear!
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Post by Jennipher on May 30, 2007 14:42:17 GMT -5
Thanks for that info, Shane. It really is amazing what some people will 'run' with! Hmmmm.....
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Post by Trina on May 31, 2007 6:35:46 GMT -5
I really knew Anneliese, and Taylor was the citizens.
Taylor was the gift giver and I was plotting with her the whole game talking about votes. Eventually she trusted me so much but got very suspicious at me at teh very end. In turn, because of Anneliese's "lie" about her ability, she really thought I was a spy. So since people didn't want to vote me out, they vote Anneliese instead.
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Post by Anneliese on Jun 1, 2007 0:26:50 GMT -5
Howdy folks... Well.. I knew my time here would come, but I had pictured it much sooner than this. I know i have a lot of explaining to do, so here it is, all of it Yes, I REALLY DID have that Builder Ability. I lied about lying about lying... To save myself from Imprisonment for weeks. Shane, I cannot thank you enough for using your power in Week 4, because it helped me find out valuable information in the time that I survived, and as a result I was able to help out people I knew were citizens. Taylor is 100% a citizen. Reicheru is 100% a citizen. Jack is 99.9999% a citizen, and as we know because of Trina's honorable sacrifice, Jordan is 100% a citizen. The "6 points" think in the burg was the truth, and my 6 points came from me, Jack, and Reicheru - that is solid fact. Last week I told everyone my bunker never existed, because it was destroyed by a spy. Now, the only people I told that could have destroyed it are - Bruce, Jessica, and Arthur. My currently updated list of potential spies is... 1. Miles 2. Jessica 3. Raphael 4. Bebe 5. Bruce If Shane passed his ability to Raphael as he said he did, and Raphael was a citizen, then Raphael would have used it in a wise situation like this to save me, Taylor, or Jordan and give us a number advantage. In addition to this, my fears that Miles is a spy are now confirmed since Miles told me he had an ability called "The Inheritor", which gains abilities after a person with a special ability is eliminated. Obviously, at this point, we know that's a lie. I know that I will have to deal with some ill feelings here in the "losers" thread, so first I will say hi to those that I did not have any real bad feelings with. Hi Jakub, we only really talked once but it is good to see you again. We were the original two that voted for Carrie and I too was sad to see she did not turn about to be a spy (no offense Carrie). Hi Leena... We never really got to talk but I look forward to getting to know you. I would greet you Tyler, but you're probably not here... Hi there to Shane and Trina I missed you guys, even though we haven't been apart that much. Trina, you're still awesome for making that amazing sacrifice for me. I really appreciate it. Hi to Audrey, who I didn't get to really talk to before your departure! I look forward to getting to know you too... Then we have Judith I feel so bad about your exile, dear, because we were very good friends. The hard thing was, at the time Reicheru was my closest ally and it was she who convinced me that you were not only a spy, but you must be exiled without you knowing that she was behind it. Since this is all public knowledge I don't feel bad about bringing it around here. At that point I did not suspect you, I suspected Jenn, but I followed Rei's lead and therefore voted for you that night. I'm very sad to see I was misled. Then there's Jenn, who I'm sure still hates me and still thinks I'm a spy. It was your actions that most made me find you suspicious, and ultimately that was why I was sold on you being a spy. I really think that you misunderstood parts of the game and to me that was suspicious, although it was just how you are. For that, I apologize. And Carrie, who I voted for 2 weeks and then knew was not a spy after that. Still, there were problems in the week that I voted to exile you and was successful, because I wanted to target Miles but was overthrown by my "alliance". Since now I am practically beyond sure that Miles is a spy, I regret not being able to influence Reicheru more - but she insisted that whether you were a spy or not, we'd find out a lot about other people... Another somewhat fruitless endeavor. I actually really enjoyed you being in the game, and that was why it was hard for me to vote you, being about 80% sure you were a citizen. Ultimately I know I"ll get a lot of flack for people assuming I "led bandwagons" and "ruined the citizen's chances of winning", but I know I did not. The citizens had no chance of winning when, in Week 1, we voted to exile JAKUB instead of an INACTIVE PLAYER. I still will never understand why that was done. And so losing 2 weeks worth of citizens and then the confusion of a new group set us totally at a spin. I did my best to keep the SPIES confused about who to eliminate, but ultimately they figured out what I was up to. However, there is a "Countergroup" against the Spies - one I helped form just after Trina's exile. It was at that point we knew for sure we had 5 confirmed citizens (Although we kept it secret because people still thought I was without a special ability), which consisted of Myself, Jack, Reicheru, Jordan, and Taylor. Those 4 have been instructed to get Miles, which hopefully they will be successful with. So that's my two cents ~*~ Anneliese ~*~
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Post by Jakub on Jun 1, 2007 1:10:40 GMT -5
ah anneliese, i knew i liked you for a reason id be willing to bet that of the 5 spies, 3 are from the inital group of 15. its just the most logical choice to me. any more is too many for a game of 15 people. if i started as a spy with 3 other people id have been like 'are you trying to make the spies win sam?' any fewer and id be suspect if i was a spy. 'theres always 3 spies. why are there only 2. whens the other spy get here sam.' although when i saw there were only 15 of us my first reaction was 'where are you hiding the rest of the cast sam? no seriously. where the hell are they?' so maybe its just me im willing to give you raphael for the reason you said. the spies would target you, jordan, or taylor, not realizing that ability was still in play, and another person would be saved. but it didnt happen. and something about bebe has been bothering me for some time and im not sure why. so im inclined to change bruce to either reicheru or arthur. but you seem fairly sure rei is a citizen. fo the sake of your countergroup i hope youre right.
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Post by Carrie on Jun 1, 2007 1:20:50 GMT -5
I believe Sam said the spy distribution between the two groups was completely random...
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Post by Shane on Jun 1, 2007 2:47:19 GMT -5
Raphael can't save anyone. He gets my tiebreaker aspect of it. As well as any other mini abilities Sam would have given me. The choice to save people was one of the mini ones, and a one time thing.
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Post by Trina on Jun 1, 2007 6:43:17 GMT -5
Anneliese's spy list now is just like mine. I knew we were on the right path. If only we couldve gotten Miles out the round I left...Dammit people wanted to vote Anneliese grrrr lol. It was so hard keeping the gift giver secret so hardcore lol.
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Post by Judith on Jun 1, 2007 10:11:22 GMT -5
Thank you for your kind words, dear! I am very impressed with the strategy and moves you made! I am so shocked and saddened to hear what my closest and dear friend Reicheru told me. We were together, in a tight pact, since the beginning. I suppose she did not fully trust me, and I am OK with that.
Did I not say Miles was a spy from the top!? Too personable, I say!! Miles and Jessica seemed to be so tight but neither ever awknowledged it... well... it would explain why Jessica randomly changed her vote on me (then again, I'm sure Reicheru told her to switch).
More later, I have to run, dears!
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Post by Anneliese on Jun 1, 2007 13:28:00 GMT -5
I'm almost sure at this point that there are only 2 spies from the original group, unless Tenchi has me fooled.
I really hope they get rid of Miles this week because we made SUCH STRONG headway in week 5 and week 6, but the spies are just as good at convincing citizens to follow them as Rei and I were, which could very well mean disaster...
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Post by Jennipher on Jun 1, 2007 13:45:28 GMT -5
Well, you are right Anneliese, I still have really strong ill feelings towards you because you were pretty much the sole reason I was exiled. Due to all the uproar on your bunker, and my not posting the word, and then you lying to me about the word, I was looked at as a spy which could not have been furthur from the truth. To those of you who still don't think Jack is a spy, all I can say to you all is OMG. And as for Miles being a spy, wow! He was such an inactive when I was in the game, it's hard to see him as a spy, but he did vote for me... Thanks Anne.
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Post by Anneliese on Jun 1, 2007 18:41:24 GMT -5
Jennipher, I still maintain that you may be the DUMBEST person I have ever encountered.
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Post by Judith on Jun 1, 2007 19:04:22 GMT -5
Oh dear, I forgot to ask Anneliese about this. What WAS going on with all of that? I received one when Tyler idled out, and 4 when I was exiled! So confused, I must say.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 1, 2007 19:33:14 GMT -5
carrie, i take everything sam says with a grain of salt. im saying 3 original until i know better otherwise
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Post by Carrie on Jun 1, 2007 19:58:58 GMT -5
Jennipher, I still maintain that you may be the DUMBEST person I have ever encountered. Ouch! the gloves are coming off. I got 20 bucks on Jenn if they actually throw down. And Jakub, I doubt Sam would flatout lie to us...although it would make the game kinda screwy if all or 4 of the spies were in one group.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 0:48:41 GMT -5
im not saying hes lying. but he does have a cast full of people hounding him for information. hes gotta give them something to shut them up, and being as ambiguous as possible is the best way to do it.
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Post by Judith on Jun 2, 2007 1:16:25 GMT -5
Jakub, my dear, in the other's defense, Sam did make several important posts (of length) about how the number of spies in the two groups was completely randomized. He said there was a possibility of all being in one group. It was random, sweetie! Since you weren't in the game at that time, you are perfectly OK to have said what you said. You were just uninformed, that is all! Let's stop fighting, everyone. At my age I just get dizzy!!
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 2, 2007 1:59:53 GMT -5
I moved that thread here for a little bit. =) Yes it was 100% random. I would be fine with any of the different ways the Spies were divided up. Having 0 Spies in the main group would have sucked, but it was a risk I was willing to take because the total probability of having an Exile with no Spy to eliminate was a little more than 1% which is an acceptable risk for me.
I haven't seen anyone else try probabilities, but here are the probabilities as to how the 5 Spies were divided. I did a bunch of different setups to try and make the %'s semi-equal and the 0 Spies in main group to be relatively low.
original group has 15. intruder group has 11.
5 spies original, 0 spies intruder: 4.565% 4 spies original, 1 spy intruder: 22.826% 3 spies original, 2 spies intruder: 38.043% 2 spies original, 3 spies intruder: 26.338% 1 spy original, 4 spies intruder: 7.525% 0 spies original, 5 spies intruder: .702%
You can see the top three there are pretty close.
The logic that people in the game are using is not correct and is not helping them any lol.
Also, the cool thing about this is let's say it ended up being that there were 4 spies in the original group and 1 in the intruder. Even with 4 spies in 15, there is about a 50/50 chance that zero spies will be Exiled in the first two rounds. So there isn't much information to gain just from seeing that no Spies were Exiled before the new people came in.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 9:22:47 GMT -5
ok, fine, lets throw logic out the window. statistically speaking there should be 3 old spies and 2 new spies and im sticking with that until i know better otherwise
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Post by Shane on Jun 2, 2007 11:52:41 GMT -5
That's something I've never mentioned yet, but was always on my mind. The first Exile is always a crap shoot, you never have anything to go on, so people tend to guess, and you're left with a spread out vote, like we had. The second one we had was Tyler. So, we walk into Exile Three with no real headway made. We lose a crappy idler, and Jakub when he shouldn't have gone. No knowledge gained, but eleven new players, and more Spies. Now we're faced with the task of meeting eleven new people, all while planning for Exile. We're back at Day One, except we're already down four five Citizens.
Not to say the idea of adding more players was a bad idea, because it adds a new dynamic to the game, but the way it played out with Tyler idling, it really hurt us Citizens. We lost a crucial Exile, gained no information, and were hit with more players to meet in two days for voting. It's true, idlers do hurt games, and while this one wasn't the fault of just one person, we did have a chance to take Tyler out, but for some reason, when me and Jack told everyone in the chat this was going to happen, no one decided to think that vote through. It sucks...
The start of the game played into the hands of a Spies, and they used it well. Now we have a set up where the Citizens can't really make any mistakes and have to run the table. It's going to be tough, and I don't think it's going to happen, but I always root for upsets.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 12:21:56 GMT -5
they citizens are in a dire situation. theyve got three strikes left. itd be one helluva comeback if they pulled it off though
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 13:29:27 GMT -5
i just noticed, the clock says 'citizen exiled in...', even sams rubbing it in now
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Post by Judge Sam on Jun 2, 2007 13:32:13 GMT -5
I disagree with the fact that Tyler was a "wasted" Exile. In fact it was a huge bonus for the Citizens. Carrie was a Citizen and stayed in the game, and she was 9,000 times more helpful than Tyler ever was. You were saved from Exiling a very helpful Citizen, which you would have done had Tyler not been removed.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 13:50:47 GMT -5
AND WHAT AM I, CHOPPED LIVER?!
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Post by Carrie on Jun 2, 2007 14:25:35 GMT -5
I really don't think it mattered all that much in then end. If Tyler was exiled at the first Exile then either me or Jakub probably would have been exiled next.
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Post by Jakub on Jun 2, 2007 14:26:56 GMT -5
im reluctantly inclined to agree
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