PMs & Replies, Round 5

[Bebe]

5/25/07
From: Trina
Subject: The group convo 1/2


Here it is

7:31:15 PM spies3reicheru: Anneliese is not responding...
7:31:20 PM spies3trina: ugh
7:32:02 PM spies3reicheru: Konichiwa!
7:32:09 PM spies3anneliese: hey
7:32:10 PM spies3reicheru: I start to worry you have been picked off.
7:32:17 PM spies3trina: heh
7:32:24 PM spies3reicheru: OK... I have a new suspect list.
7:32:25 PM spies3anneliese: nope, just watching some tv in between typing lol
7:32:34 PM spies3reicheru: No problem, sorry to drag you away AGAIN Anneliese!
7:32:52 PM spies3reicheru: For Trina's benefit, I seem to be your personal stalker right now.
7:32:58 PM spies3reicheru: But anyway...
7:33:09 PM spies3trina: i just want to make sure we have enough votes for carrie becuase if she goes it targets so many
7:33:10 PM spies3reicheru: I go through the last few conversations and voting lists I have.
7:33:11 PM spies3trina: and clears others
7:33:16 PM spies3reicheru: Hai, I agree.
7:33:26 PM spies3reicheru: But so far I know only of TWO - me and Anneliese.
7:33:30 PM spies3reicheru: That is not a huge majority!
7:33:34 PM spies3trina: what about jess, brooks
7:33:43 PM spies3reicheru: I have not seen them.
7:33:46 PM spies3trina: how much is majority
7:33:52 PM spies3reicheru: I would think Brooks would definitely vote Carrie... but I do not know.
7:34:07 PM spies3reicheru: Trina - we may need over two thirds of the votors.
7:34:08 PM spies3anneliese: I got umm...
7:34:11 PM spies3anneliese: someone to vote Carrie
7:34:12 PM spies3anneliese: Matthew
7:34:20 PM spies3reicheru: Not surprising... but good.
7:34:24 PM spies3trina: ill get taylor and bruce
7:34:29 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
7:34:37 PM spies3reicheru: OK then...
7:34:49 PM spies3reicheru: Anneliese, I have now posted Juvenile, and I recall you DID mention it before.
7:34:56 PM spies3reicheru: At the time we were talking about whether it is a clue or not.
7:35:02 PM spies3reicheru: Here is my question: what if it is?
7:35:12 PM spies3reicheru: The two joint youngest players are Tenchi and myself.
7:35:17 PM spies3reicheru: It could only refer to one of us.
7:35:35 PM spies3reicheru: ANd obviously I know it is not referring to me...
7:35:49 PM spies3trina: good point
7:35:58 PM spies3reicheru: I have other good points.
7:36:05 PM spies3reicheru: I am wary because I do not want to do another "Judith".
7:36:15 PM spies3reicheru: And I am by no means certain of Tenchi... BUT...
7:36:20 PM spies3reicheru: I look, as I say, over my chat records.
7:36:40 PM spies3reicheru: Before exile 2 I tell him straight out that Carrie has a majority vote unless Tyler is voted out due to penalties.
7:36:43 PM spies3trina: i have a feeling on tenchi being a strong one
7:37:02 PM spies3reicheru: Yes, but do you remember what happens just after that conversation, Anneliese?
7:37:37 PM spies3reicheru: (She is watching TV.. she can recap later.)
7:37:45 PM spies3trina: lol yeah
7:37:46 PM spies3reicheru: Point is, Carrie, Miles and Tenchi ALL VOTE FOR THIRD PARTIES.
7:38:01 PM spies3reicheru: Miles and Carrie are explainable, especially if they are spies.
7:38:03 PM spies3reicheru: But Tenchi?
7:38:30 PM spies3anneliese: sorry lol
7:38:44 PM spies3reicheru: What if he wants to avoid pushing the Carrie total over the amount of penalties Tyler has
7:38:53 PM spies3reicheru: But cannot vote Tyler himself as it would be too suspicious?
7:38:54 PM spies3anneliese: That would make sense, yes...
7:39:07 PM spies3reicheru: The thing is, he KNOWS how many Penalties Tyler stands to gain
7:39:17 PM spies3reicheru: but eh DOESNT know whether Tyler has posted a conversation or not.
7:39:25 PM spies3reicheru: You had one with him, remember Annie?
7:39:41 PM spies3reicheru: So if Tyler only gets SEVEN votes, not twelve, a Tenchi vote for Carrie could be CRITICAL.
7:40:22 PM spies3reicheru: Next exile, Tenchi defends Carrie a LOT.
7:40:27 PM spies3reicheru: He pushes Judith as a suspect...
7:40:35 PM spies3reicheru: And afterwards I apologise for "playing" him!
7:40:45 PM spies3reicheru: What if it was I who got played, not Tenchi?
7:40:48 PM spies3anneliese: Yes Jess and I both pushed Tyler to have conversations
7:41:12 PM spies3reicheru: THat is it... Tyler only needed to post two.
7:41:15 PM spies3anneliese: This is a very strong point...
7:41:30 PM spies3reicheru: Tenchi cannot know for certain, so he and Miles CAN'T risk a Carrie vote.
7:41:38 PM spies3anneliese: And he had two from Jessie and I, which is why I'm not suspicious of her... I doubt a spy would push so hard for Tyler to be active
7:41:39 PM spies3reicheru: But nor can they give themselves away by voting Tyler.
7:41:51 PM spies3anneliese: true...
7:42:12 PM spies3reicheru: The hting is, NOBODY ELSE LEFT votes a third party.
7:42:15 PM spies3trina: if we eliminate tenchi, it gets you imprisoned i feel reicheru
7:42:15 PM spies3reicheru: Only Tenchi and Miles.
7:42:21 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
7:42:31 PM spies3reicheru: So I suggest we focus on easier targets... and besides, this is pure theory.
7:42:32 PM spies3trina: no wonder i feel you two are so close..gosh
7:42:47 PM spies3reicheru: Hai... I feel so used!
7:43:04 PM spies3reicheru: That cowardly seducer, whispering sweet nothings in my ear...
7:43:06 PM spies3trina: and why is jack not on board the carrie train?
7:43:12 PM spies3trina: especially since you guys trust him so much
7:43:21 PM spies3reicheru: Trina - because I haven't seen him yet.
7:43:24 PM spies3trina: oh lol
7:43:26 PM spies3trina: makes sense
7:43:53 PM spies3reicheru: So anyway my new prime suspect list is:
7:43:55 PM spies3reicheru: CARRIE.
7:43:57 PM spies3reicheru: RAPHAEL.
7:43:58 PM spies3reicheru: MILES.
7:44:00 PM spies3reicheru: TENCHI.
7:44:10 PM spies3reicheru: And I was thinking BEBE, but JORDAN is also possible in that spot.
7:44:12 PM spies3trina: i dont feel raphael is a spy
7:44:19 PM spies3trina: replace raphael with jordan
7:44:23 PM spies3reicheru: Hmmm... you did not see our conversation earlier.
7:44:43 PM spies3reicheru: I basically told him Carrie was going, whatever happened elsewhere.
7:44:47 PM spies3anneliese: Now that I've seen the "Spy thread excerpts", I really feel like Tenchi could be a spy
7:44:52 PM spies3reicheru: It was almost funny, he had NO IDEA how to respond.
7:45:08 PM spies3reicheru: He didn't want to contradict me and yet he couldn't agree with me.
7:45:14 PM spies3anneliese: one of them talked about playing everyone and knowing everything and tenchi has been at the center of all of our "groups" conversations and plots
7:45:27 PM spies3reicheru: Hai, that also occured to me.
7:46:03 PM spies3reicheru: Can I invite Jessica?
7:46:08 PM spies3anneliese: yes please
7:46:16 PM spies3reicheru: OK... I would keep this Tenchi theory quiet for now.
7:46:20 PM spies3anneliese: and then one of the spies said "I'll get the others to push for Judith"
7:46:23 PM spies3anneliese: that strikes me as very odd
7:46:32 PM spies3reicheru: It is best if only a few people know, that way nobody else can give it away.
7:46:36 PM spies3anneliese: okay
7:46:49 PM spies3reicheru: Of course if Carrie goes, Jessica can be safe... but taht does not necessarily mean discreet.
7:47:25 PM spies3trina: well im trying to convince taylor to vote for carrie now
7:47:27 PM spies3trina: she's budging
7:47:28 PM spies3trina: its tough
7:47:34 PM spies3reicheru: The more the merrier.
7:47:39 PM spies3reicheru: I invite Jess...
7:47:42 PM spies3reicheru: Oh, she is here.
7:47:47 PM spies3reicheru: Konichiwa again!
7:47:49 PM spies3jessica: sorry for taking a while, I was preparing my supper
7:47:51 PM spies3anneliese: htye there
7:47:59 PM spies3anneliese: So I can type
7:48:01 PM spies3anneliese: hey there lol
7:48:04 PM spies3trina: hiya
7:48:13 PM spies3jessica: Is jack not here for a reason?
7:48:27 PM spies3reicheru: Erm... he was not online a moment ago.
7:48:29 PM spies3reicheru: I check...
7:48:35 PM spies3jessica: he is now
7:48:55 PM spies3reicheru: I invite him.
7:48:56 PM spies3anneliese: wow I'm sleepy already
7:48:56 PM spies3anneliese: lol
7:49:02 PM spies3reicheru: Konichiwa!
7:49:07 PM spies3reicheru: Good to have you with us.
7:49:08 PM spies3anneliese: Jack Attack
7:49:11 PM spies3jessica: mmmmm... poutine is delicious
7:49:33 PM spies3anneliese: If I didn't already know you were Canadian, I would now :-P
7:49:39 PM spies3jessica: haha
7:49:49 PM spies3jack: Hi
7:49:58 PM spies3jessica: Its a shame there isn't poutine everywhere
7:50:04 PM spies3jessica: it would make the world a better place
7:50:07 PM spies3reicheru: So we share saki, poutine, and plotting...
7:50:14 PM spies3jack: *waves his hands and poutine appears*
7:50:37 PM spies3jessica: so it seems we may finally get to see carrie go?
7:50:44 PM spies3trina: unless i put a stop to it
7:50:46 PM spies3trina: which i might.
7:50:48 PM spies3reicheru: I think we have to try.
7:50:53 PM spies3jessica: oh yeah
7:50:53 PM spies3jack: Trina
7:50:55 PM spies3jack: Seriously
7:51:02 PM spies3jack: You need to use your ability this time
7:51:12 PM spies3reicheru: Well Trina... if you prefer us to go for a second target so you can use your ability and take Carrie out instead...
7:51:19 PM spies3jack: If you don't, I'd give an 85% shot of you being imprisoned
7:51:28 PM spies3reicheru: That is an idea, actually.
7:51:42 PM spies3reicheru: What if we all split votes...
7:51:53 PM spies3reicheru: Vote complete neutrals or Brooks...
7:51:57 PM spies3trina: and if im bluffing?
7:52:04 PM spies3reicheru: And THEN have Trina use her ability so that she is not imprisoned?
7:52:05 PM spies3trina: you guys will waste an exile as well
7:52:15 PM spies3reicheru: Trina - if that is the case, then we are f--ked.
7:52:17 PM spies3trina: so i suggest you guys vote together
7:52:22 PM spies3jack: Well yeah
7:52:29 PM spies3jack: We do need to plan our votes, I agree
7:52:36 PM spies3jessica: so you are basically saying that you ARE bluffing?
7:52:40 PM spies3jack: But what I'm saying is don't NOT use your ability, heh
7:52:54 PM spies3reicheru: Hmmm... this puts us in an awkward position.
7:53:08 PM spies3reicheru: Anneliese, I do not suppose there is anybody who can check Trina for an ability
7:53:10 PM spies3reicheru: like they did me?
7:53:12 PM spies3trina: just vote together
7:53:19 PM spies3anneliese: hmm...
7:53:20 PM spies3jack: The problem is I have no idea who would be a good candidate to usei t on
7:53:22 PM spies3trina: i think its a good progress you guys ar emaking
7:53:24 PM spies3anneliese: not anymore
7:53:24 PM spies3anneliese: that was a gift Rei.
7:53:26 PM spies3jack: Carrie, maybe
7:53:37 PM spies3anneliese: okay, Trina's basically admitting she doesn't have it :-P
7:53:39 PM spies3reicheru: Well we are going to vote Carrie anyway.
7:53:45 PM spies3anneliese: Let Trina play her cards tonight, we must vote Carrie regardless
7:53:53 PM spies3jack: Yea
7:53:55 PM spies3anneliese: We've let each other play the cards we like, tonight is her turn
7:54:03 PM spies3trina: its my turn to play the cards
7:54:08 PM spies3trina: and im doing the best i can
7:54:09 PM spies3jack: Alright
7:54:12 PM spies3trina: you guys just dont know it
7:54:14 PM spies3jack: I'm fine by that
7:54:22 PM spies3jack: I'm just saying it would be in your best interest to use your ability
7:54:28 PM spies3jack: Just a little bit of advice is all
7:54:45 PM spies3jessica: Just one question, was carrie one of the people who accussed judy when she got those 3 extra votes?
7:54:54 PM spies3jack: I don't think so
7:55:00 PM spies3jack: I was one, so was Anneliese
7:55:05 PM spies3jack: I think the other was Reicheru?
7:55:13 PM spies3jessica: ok, at the time I though carrie may have done it
7:55:14 PM spies3reicheru: No.
7:55:15 PM spies3reicheru: Tenchi.
7:55:20 PM spies3anneliese: I still do not know the third accusation
7:55:23 PM spies3anneliese: was it Tenchi?
7:55:25 PM spies3reicheru: What?
7:55:29 PM spies3reicheru: I thought that was confirmed?
7:55:30 PM spies3jack: If it was, I didn't tell him to do it
7:55:37 PM spies3reicheru: I accuse Judith in exile TWO, not exile THREE.
7:55:42 PM spies3trina: claire is voting bebe or jessica tonight
7:55:43 PM spies3jack: Oh
7:55:44 PM spies3reicheru: And therefore use up my accusation for Judith.
7:55:45 PM spies3trina: she's actively pushing bebe
7:55:49 PM spies3jack: Well, we thought maybe they carried over
7:55:54 PM spies3anneliese: Yeah I didn't tell Tenchi to accuse Judith
7:55:57 PM spies3jessica: does she have a reason to vote me?
7:55:57 PM spies3anneliese: only one I told was Jack
7:56:00 PM spies3reicheru: You cannot use an accusation more than once.
7:56:04 PM spies3reicheru: That is definite.
7:56:04 PM spies3anneliese: that's why I was confused unless accusations carry over
7:56:09 PM spies3jack: Hmm
7:56:12 PM spies3jack: Well I have no idea then
7:56:12 PM spies3reicheru: So someone else knows who Judith is?
7:56:15 PM spies3reicheru: That is interesting...
7:56:16 PM spies3jack: I was told at literally the last minute
7:56:26 PM spies3anneliese: yes I was told to do it just minutes before, in case we needed it
7:56:56 PM spies3anneliese: I don't see why Carrie has a reason to vote you Jess...
7:57:13 PM spies3jessica: I was totally in the dark. I though carrie might have figured out and pulled a crazy move to save herself
7:57:23 PM spies3trina: if carrie turns out to be a citizen
7:57:29 PM spies3trina: you guys are essentially f*cked honeslty
7:57:41 PM spies3trina: doesnt that throw your plans out the window?
7:57:42 PM spies3jessica: you guys?
7:57:44 PM spies3trina: and connections?
7:57:45 PM spies3reicheru: I cannot see how that is possible, I can simply not.
7:57:55 PM spies3reicheru: Every spy possibility I have has Carrie and Miles in it.
7:58:06 PM spies3trina: okay
7:58:10 PM spies3reicheru: Unless there are no spies at all in the first group, I do not see it.
7:58:11 PM spies3jessica: seriously, we have to get ONE eventually
7:58:13 PM spies3trina: go for it
7:58:30 PM spies3reicheru: Trina - my top suspects are Carrie and Miles.
7:58:31 PM spies3jack: Honestly, I think the spies are playing a much more subtle role
7:58:36 PM spies3reicheru: If you do not choose one, the other would be better.
7:58:37 PM spies3jack: And Miles & Carrie do seem to fit
7:58:49 PM spies3jessica: I havent seen miles in ages
7:58:55 PM spies3reicheru: I just think we look for the wrong things...
7:59:14 PM spies3reicheru: We look for someone actively sabotaging thigs, when in fact it is US doing the sabotaging...
7:59:20 PM spies3reicheru: The spies just sit back and let it happen!
7:59:32 PM spies3reicheru: One thing I am alert for is people who suddenly become much more proactive.
7:59:36 PM spies3trina: thank YOU
7:59:36 PM spies3reicheru: but I have not seen it yet.
7:59:43 PM spies3trina: my god...thats how i felt all along really
7:59:56 PM spies3trina: that you guys were sabotaging yourself with judith and jenipher honestly..it didnt make sense to me
8:00:06 PM spies3reicheru: Jennipher had nothing to do with me.
8:00:21 PM spies3jessica: sorry if I seem distracted,"so you think you can dance" is coming on
8:00:24 PM spies3anneliese: *sheepishly shuffles feet*
8:00:36 PM spies3anneliese: I want to watch that but I can't while I'm here lol
8:00:37 PM spies3reicheru: I am grateful that there is ONE citizen exile I do not help to organize!
8:00:42 PM spies3anneliese: Nobody will ever be better than Travis though
8:01:05 PM spies3anneliese: But anyway...
8:01:05 PM spies3jessica: I LOVED travis
8:01:11 PM spies3reicheru: Travis was great.
8:01:11 PM spies3anneliese: I agree about us sabotaging ourselves
8:01:15 PM spies3anneliese: which is why I turned to Miles
8:01:18 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
8:01:21 PM spies3anneliese: the ultimate Under The Radar player
8:01:29 PM spies3reicheru: It is odd, everyone has their own reasons for suspecting miles.
8:01:33 PM spies3reicheru: With me it is his voting...
8:01:35 PM spies3anneliese: he IMed me for the first time today
8:01:37 PM spies3jessica: Early on in the game miles and I had a flirty thing
8:01:39 PM spies3reicheru: With Arthur it is his posts in the exile questions.
8:01:40 PM spies3anneliese: other times it is always me IMing him'
8:01:46 PM spies3reicheru: Which actually makes a lot of sense, Arthur is right there.
8:01:53 PM spies3anneliese: I found it quite funny that today when his time could be up he finally takes intiative
8:02:01 PM spies3jessica: we sorta had a hot tub scene that made sam warn us to keep it PG 13
8:02:10 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:02:11 PM spies3reicheru: Hey, I have been warned that as well!
8:02:25 PM spies3anneliese: I'm too old for anyone to get higher than G
8:02:28 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:02:30 PM spies3reicheru: It was a comment I made about Tenchi slicing my muffin... quite harmless really.
8:02:35 PM spies3anneliese: lmao!
8:02:40 PM spies3jessica: lol
8:03:00 PM spies3jessica: We actually soft-core cybered
8:03:02 PM spies3jessica: lol
8:03:09 PM spies3jack: Sandulous
8:03:12 PM spies3jack: scandulous
8:03:15 PM spies3jack: Or however it is spelled
8:03:21 PM spies3reicheru: No, I preferred your first spelling.
8:03:29 PM spies3jessica: You can read the log after the game
8:03:32 PM spies3jack: Whatever floats your boat <3
8:03:46 PM spies3jessica: unless sam takes it down
8:03:55 PM spies3jack: You know Sam loves it
8:04:29 PM spies3jessica: hot tub handjob

[Bebe]

5/25/07
From: Trina
Subject: group convo 2/2


8:04:36 PM spies3jessica: O:-)
8:04:47 PM spies3anneliese: oh. my.
8:04:51 PM spies3jack: Really I am uncomfortable voting anyone at this point
8:05:01 PM spies3jack: I just think the evidence is very tight at this point
8:05:17 PM spies3jack: Statistically speaking there should be 1-2 spies in this room
8:05:21 PM spies3jack: Which is a bit unnerving
8:05:23 PM spies3reicheru: I do not know... there are a few people I am fairly sure are spies.
8:05:32 PM spies3reicheru: And a few people I am fairly sure are not (present company included).
8:05:33 PM spies3jack: That probability only increases each time we screw up
8:05:38 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
8:05:46 PM spies3jack: Well, I agree
8:05:52 PM spies3reicheru: My worry is that with each spy comes an extra vote.
8:06:01 PM spies3reicheru: We get to the point that if ALL citizens do not work together, we could be toast.
8:06:25 PM spies3reicheru: We barely outnumber them three to one now... a few weeks ago it was almost five to one.
8:07:21 PM spies3anneliese: yes
8:07:39 PM spies3anneliese: as Jack and I have calculated though
8:07:48 PM spies3anneliese: right now our odds of catching a spy are almost about 40%
8:08:02 PM spies3jack: Well I'd increase that a bit more
8:08:06 PM spies3anneliese: which is great, and we're bound to get one soon
8:08:10 PM spies3reicheru: That is actually really bad... FIVE exiles and we do not have one yet?
8:08:12 PM spies3jack: Because I'm not pretty much convinced that Shane is a Citizen
8:08:25 PM spies3reicheru: You're NOT convinced?
8:08:29 PM spies3reicheru: Or you ARE convinced?
8:08:34 PM spies3jack: Woops
8:08:38 PM spies3jack: I mean now
8:08:40 PM spies3jack: not not
8:08:45 PM spies3reicheru: YEs, I agree.
8:08:47 PM spies3trina: double negative woah
8:08:51 PM spies3jack:
8:08:55 PM spies3reicheru: I give Trina and Anneliese a good reason for that...
8:09:05 PM spies3reicheru: Shane basically sends me his vote for Judith, at my request.
8:09:09 PM spies3reicheru: With all his reasons, in detail.
8:09:09 PM spies3jack: Was it identicle to the one I used in the Burg?
8:09:17 PM spies3jack: kk
8:09:24 PM spies3jack: Well
8:09:28 PM spies3jack: Statistically speaking
8:09:32 PM spies3jack: There should be 3 spies in our group
8:09:40 PM spies3jack: Though there is a chance it could be more or less
8:09:45 PM spies3jack: More likely less than more
8:09:45 PM spies3reicheru: I think it is likely that there are...
8:09:55 PM spies3reicheru: Until recently I have gone under the assumption we only have two.
8:10:05 PM spies3anneliese: Yes
8:10:10 PM spies3reicheru: Miles and Carrie, to be specific.
8:10:20 PM spies3jack: There are 9 in our group
8:10:35 PM spies3jack: If we assume there are 3 spies, raw statistics say we have a 1/3 shot
8:10:39 PM spies3reicheru: Does anybody else occur to you guys, Jessica and Jack?
8:10:43 PM spies3reicheru: Apart from those two?
8:11:00 PM spies3trina: Bebe should be frm. i have a storng feeling hse's a spy
8:11:02 PM spies3jack: But I know I'm not a spy, and I am confident that Anneliese & Shane are not. As a result, I'm sure Reicheru is not
8:11:10 PM spies3jack: That takes 4 candidates away
8:11:13 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
8:11:20 PM spies3jack: 3/5 > 50%
8:11:24 PM spies3jack: 2/5 < 50%
8:11:34 PM spies3jack: Average that out at 2.5/5
8:11:35 PM spies3jack: 50%
8:12:03 PM spies3reicheru: That makes sense.
8:12:08 PM spies3jack: I would be amazed if there was only one spy in our group
8:12:35 PM spies3jack: 26 players
8:12:35 PM spies3jessica: my suspects in the original group are: Carrie, Miles, Arthur, Shane, the rest I am thining citizen
8:12:41 PM spies3jack: Shane?
8:12:45 PM spies3jack: Why Shane?
8:12:48 PM spies3anneliese: If Carrie is a spy I don't think Arthur could be
8:12:56 PM spies3jessica: sorry, I was just listing them in order of trust
8:13:07 PM spies3reicheru: I agree with Anneliese about Arthur.
8:13:16 PM spies3jessica: shane seems like he is the most likely of the "confirmeds" that could be a spy
8:13:17 PM spies3reicheru: He has had strong suspicions of Carrie int he past.
8:13:30 PM spies3anneliese: however if Carrie isn't a spy, I'm almost sure Arthur is
8:13:48 PM spies3jack: Why's that?
8:13:48 PM spies3reicheru: Arthur votes Miles.
8:13:49 PM spies3reicheru: He says.
8:13:49 PM spies3anneliese: but I'd prefer to go Miles regardless
8:14:06 PM spies3anneliese: how come with the Judith Exile, Arthur votes Carrie
8:14:10 PM spies3reicheru: So we cannot have them BOTH as spies unless Arthur is trying to cover his ass thinking Miles is gone.
8:14:49 PM spies3anneliese: and at the end says "I'm really starting to get mad that I'm with a bunch of dumbass citizens who keep targeting themselves"
8:14:52 PM spies3anneliese: but NOW he votes Miles
8:14:56 PM spies3anneliese: when he knows we need Carrie votes
8:14:58 PM spies3trina: jack
8:15:02 PM spies3trina: if no one came out to you
8:15:05 PM spies3anneliese: if he's so certain he had a spy back thenhe should go for her
8:15:07 PM spies3trina: and says they saved whoever that was imprisoned
8:15:11 PM spies3trina: then for certain shane is a spy
8:15:17 PM spies3trina: i gathered that much while talking to you the other night.
8:15:23 PM spies3trina: * mean a citizne
8:15:25 PM spies3reicheru: Citizen, you mean?
8:15:25 PM spies3trina: sorry not a spy lol
8:15:27 PM spies3trina: yeah
8:15:29 PM spies3trina: my bad
8:15:31 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:15:38 PM spies3reicheru: Yes, there is another reason to suppose Shane a citizen.
8:15:43 PM spies3reicheru: He did not have time to fake that vote he posted me.
8:15:49 PM spies3jack: Right, Trina
8:15:52 PM spies3reicheru: I only asked him for it about twenty five seconds before he did.
8:16:02 PM spies3jack: That's the idea I incorporated into my post earlier, as well
8:16:03 PM spies3reicheru: So unlses he keeps faked votes and convos at hand in case he is asked.
8:16:06 PM spies3reicheru: Shane is safe.
8:16:14 PM spies3trina: who is shane voting for this exile?
8:16:28 PM spies3jack: Not sure
8:16:56 PM spies3jack: Anyone notice how only females have gone so far?
8:17:09 PM spies3jack: Oh
8:17:10 PM spies3jack: Except Tyler
8:17:13 PM spies3jack: And Imagine
8:17:14 PM spies3jack: Heh
8:17:15 PM spies3jack: Yeah
8:17:17 PM spies3jack: Forgot about Imagine
8:17:25 PM spies3jack: The shemale
8:17:32 PM spies3jack: But yeah, not sure about Shane
8:17:33 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:17:34 PM spies3jack: Haven't spoken to him
8:17:38 PM spies3jack: Not since the exile
8:17:44 PM spies3jack: Or just after
8:17:59 PM spies3anneliese: Just to recall to everyone's attention, one of Sam's warnings in the "Spy Thread" - "Make sure you post fake conversations with citizens - you will need them later on"
8:18:12 PM spies3anneliese: Although I do trust Shane
8:18:14 PM spies3anneliese: a bit
8:18:33 PM spies3anneliese: it's still important to take notice of, he may have just been following Sam's warning and we shouldn't bank that as the only reason to trust him
8:18:50 PM spies3jack: Well, assume he did lie
8:19:03 PM spies3jack: We know for a fact that someone did save us from imprisonment
8:19:16 PM spies3jack: I made it well known that that person came to me and told me of this
8:19:35 PM spies3jack: If Shane lied, whoever really DID save us would know without a doubt that Shane is a Spy
8:19:40 PM spies3jack: Why didn't that person notify me?
8:19:46 PM spies3jack: Why didn't that person notify anyone?
8:19:54 PM spies3jack: Because, quite simply, that person does not exist.
8:20:06 PM spies3jack: Either that, or they are stupid beyond all comprehension
8:20:48 PM spies3anneliese: Yes I know, I was just making a point
8:20:54 PM spies3anneliese: Cause after this week with all the bluffs I've seen
8:21:00 PM spies3anneliese: we need to make ourselves immune to any more
8:21:07 PM spies3anneliese: No offense to Rei, Trina, or myself
8:21:08 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:21:41 PM spies3reicheru: Was Jakub female?
8:21:44 PM spies3jack: Nope
8:21:46 PM spies3jack: Well
8:21:50 PM spies3jack: I didn't check personally....
8:21:58 PM spies3jack: I don't normally... check...
8:22:13 PM spies3reicheru: Hai... but I am just thinking, you say only females have gone.
8:22:18 PM spies3jack: Yeah
8:22:22 PM spies3jack: I was way off
8:22:25 PM spies3reicheru: I may be doubtful about IMAGINE, but JAKUB seemed certain enough!
8:22:32 PM spies3jack: Well I also missed Tyler
8:22:41 PM spies3reicheru: TYLER!
8:22:44 PM spies3reicheru: I miss him now.
8:22:45 PM spies3jessica: Have you guys given any thought that there might be a double imprisonment as well?
8:22:46 PM spies3reicheru: wait...
8:22:47 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:22:51 PM spies3reicheru: He was exiled instea do fCarrie...
8:22:59 PM spies3reicheru: And if I could find him...
8:23:05 PM spies3reicheru: And had not taken a vow of nonviolence...
8:23:09 PM spies3anneliese: If there's a double imprisonment, then piece out
8:23:11 PM spies3anneliese: *peace out
8:23:17 PM spies3reicheru: I WOULD go ninja on his ass for that.
8:23:18 PM spies3jack: Yeah
8:23:21 PM spies3jack: I should say the same
8:23:21 PM spies3anneliese: lmao
8:23:32 PM spies3anneliese: I might fire a few rounds into the bastard
8:23:37 PM spies3jessica: do you guys think tenchi will vote with us?
8:23:41 PM spies3anneliese: I think Jessie and I get first dibs since we actually TRIED to turn him around
8:23:43 PM spies3jack: No, heh
8:23:46 PM spies3reicheru: Jessica - I am quite sure he will not.
8:23:46 PM spies3trina: he;s going to abstain
8:23:46 PM spies3jack: Well maybe
8:24:02 PM spies3jack: In any event, I think we should target someone from our group
8:24:13 PM spies3jack: Just because so many of them are gone, and it's more likely there's a spy in our group
8:24:19 PM spies3reicheru: Hai.
8:24:25 PM spies3trina: ig et so confused when you say "our group"
8:24:30 PM spies3trina: keep thinking thhe people in this room
8:24:34 PM spies3jack: Yeah
8:24:35 PM spies3jack: I mean
8:24:36 PM spies3reicheru: The trouble is, if "we" target someone from the original players,
8:24:40 PM spies3jack: The originals
8:24:44 PM spies3reicheru: The spies might decide we are too much of a cohesive unit.
8:24:54 PM spies3reicheru: And want to split us up forcibly.
8:25:03 PM spies3jessica: I think that is inevitable anyway
8:25:21 PM spies3anneliese: Again, my bags are already packed lol
8:25:31 PM spies3jack: 9 in each group, chances are 3 spies in our group
8:25:54 PM spies3anneliese: mmhmm
8:25:59 PM spies3jack: Well Annelies I'm right behind you
8:26:09 PM spies3trina: well if carrie isnt a spy
8:26:12 PM spies3trina: you guys wont be imprisoned
8:26:30 PM spies3trina: so there's the positive side i guess
8:26:34 PM spies3jack: Heh
8:26:40 PM spies3jack: A positive brought on by a negative
8:26:45 PM spies3trina: right
8:26:48 PM spies3jack: Well
8:26:49 PM spies3jack: Unless
8:26:55 PM spies3jack: The spies might catch on to what we're doing
8:26:57 PM spies3jack: Targetting our group
8:27:08 PM spies3jack: They might target the other group to lower that probability
8:27:35 PM spies3jack: The thing is, they may know that imprisoning one of us(the group in here) will do no good for us
8:27:41 PM spies3jack: Since we're using that to our advantage
8:27:42 PM spies3anneliese: that's what I think the smartest thing would be to do
8:28:20 PM spies3jessica: I think sam should change the rules so imprisoned citizens win the game if citizens do
8:28:31 PM spies3jack: Yea
8:28:35 PM spies3anneliese: that's how I always play lol
8:28:51 PM spies3anneliese: I don't care what Sam's damn rules are, if citizens win, then I'll consider myself a winner
8:28:56 PM spies3jessica: same for my playgroup
8:29:04 PM spies3jessica: haha, same here
8:29:35 PM spies3reicheru: I do not know though... is part fo the game not surviving?
8:29:44 PM spies3reicheru: There are ways to avoid imprisonment.
8:29:50 PM spies3reicheru: Let's face it, I have tried most of them!
8:29:51 PM spies3anneliese: I've pulled a few lol
8:30:16 PM spies3jessica: true, but I think it is unfair for someone to play an amazing game and then lose because the spies wanted to take out someone
8:30:20 PM spies3anneliese: Yes part of the game is surviving, but like I have said before, if I must be sacrificed then I am glad to do it
8:31:46 PM spies3jack: Well we have under 30 mins
8:31:49 PM spies3jack: Who's the play?
8:33:11 PM spies3jessica: I am fine with carrie
8:33:26 PM spies3jessica: I will be so proud of myself if my episode two suspicion was right
8:34:57 PM spies3anneliese: I will be proud if my first instinct was right
8:34:58 PM spies3anneliese: lol
8:39:02 PM spies3anneliese: *breaks the silence*
8:39:25 PM spies3reicheru: Gomen.
8:39:28 PM spies3reicheru: I talk to Tenchi.
8:41:28 PM spies3anneliese: any insights?
8:45:16 PM spies3trina: alright im off till exile chat
8:45:20 PM spies3reicheru: He stubbornly refuses to vote for Carrie.

[Bebe]

5/25/07
From: Trina
Subject: Reicheru Message


As someone who has herself invented a role in order to benefit the citizens, I call "bull". However, this does not mean that I suspect you of being a spy, or that I am certain you are lying. In case you are not, I have no problem giving you two specific pieces of information.


1) SHANE IS CLEARED. I talk to him after the "Judith" vote. As part of that I immediately ask him why he votes for Judith. He sends me his vote and his reasons IMMEDIATELY, without having any way to know in advance that I would ask for it. I do not believe it is pre-prepared for my benefit, and yet it is undoubtedly a citizen's vote. Take a look:


spies3Shane: " Judith

Well, you were so adamant about not feeling any regrets about voting for a Citizen last round. You refuse to admit you were wrong, and you pressed so hard for Jakub to go over Tyler, meaning we'd get a second wasted Exile this round. That spells "Spy" to me. Aside from that, you don't talk seriously to me. You hide behind your "old woman" persona and constantly crack jokes about your physically health to change the subject or to avoid questions. I'm sick of it. On top of that, you annoy the hell out of me. Basically killing two birds with one stone here."


By my timestamp he has less than THIRTY SECONDS to prepare that, from when I first ask him why he votes Judith until he posts that to me. He has no time to fake it. Unless he is extraordinarily prepared, he is a CERTAIN CITIZEN.


2) JACK IS CLEARED. I myself make up the theory that one of us two could ask a citizen, if we are spy, to post the word itself. This it to make sure we are not seen as "safe" and therefore in danger of imprisonment.

However, do you REALLY believe this is the case? If I asked Jakub or Leena, say, to post a specific word in their confessional, they would refuse - or at least threaten to tell someone else about it. To expose myself in that way, if I was spy, would be just plain daft.

Also, how would Jack KNOW that Anneliese could see the EXACT NUMBER OF VOTES? She does not tell us anything about this (confirm with Anneliese) until the "six vote" controversy kicks off in the Burg (after exile 3).

As far as we are concerned at the time Jack is supposed to have posted his word (during episodes one and two), the only thing Anneliese can KNOW is that the bunker has not yet been destroyed. She tells both of us specifically that she has no more information than this. Since as far as either of us is concerned there is no way to check whether we have voted or not, why would either of us risk "faking" a vote through a citizen?


My vote tonight will be CARRIE. If she is a spy, I think we narrow our field of suspects tremendously. Arthur, Jessica and Brooks, for example, ALL campaign fiercely against Carrie over a period of time - at least to me. If Carrie is a spy, they are all cleared. I beg you to get votes for Carrie, or at least not to interfere with my attempts to.

One other thing. I have no wish to put Jack, Shane, Arthur, Jessica OR Brooks in danger of imprisonment just because others are at risk right now. So I ask you NOT to post any of this in the Burg. There is too much of that already and so far it only hurts the citizens. Everything that has been done by Anneliese, for example, COULD be done equally well but privately between cleared citizens, without putting those citizens in danger.

I forward this onto both you, Trina, and Anneliese, so that she can see exactly what my reasoning is. She can also confirm what I say about what she tells Jack and I regarding her role before the third exile. She can also confirm what I say about Shane, since I tell her this as well.

My top suspects now are, in order of how certain I am about them: CARRIE. MILES. BEBE. CLAIRE. RAPHAEL. I am not sure about the last three but the first two seem all but certain. I do not want to make another mistake, as with Judith, but so many people have campaigned against Carrie that we need to find out if they are correct. If she is spy, a LOT of people will be under much less suspicion. This in itself is worth the risk.

Oyasumi, and good luck.

Rei-chan.

[Bebe]

5/26/07
To: Jessica
Subject: jessica ...


please for the love of sam do not tell me you told jennipher your real aim name

don't tell jennipher ANYTHING

do not tell her you're a spy

do not tell her i'm a spy

don't tell her ANYTHING

i will talk to you after this whole game is over but i promise you that jennipher and any other "dead" player you tell things to will come back to bite you on the butt if you say even the slightest thing.

now i'm seriously worried. tell me exactly what you told her and promise me you'll never tell her anything about this game.

[Bebe]

5/26/07
To: Judge Sam
Subject: Emergency!


Did you see what Jessica said in the Spy HQ about getting Jennipher's AIM name?

Please please please post some sort of reminder about how contact of any kind with "dead" players is not allowed.

I swear, if she told Jennipher her identity or who the other Spies are, that's it, there's no point in even continuing this game. It'll get out.

[Bebe]

5/26/07
From: Trina
Subject: READ THIS


Just figured I send this to you. Kinda cool information lol...

Minna-san! (Everyone!),
(Copies sent to bruce, jordan, raphael, trina, arthur)

You may have observed how things are not doing well for us. That's because there has been a voting block (check your voting histories and information men (and Trina)! ) that manipulates each and every Exile. This is the pattern from what I see:

1. These people agree on themselves who to Exile. They are a small group of three/four people.
2. They spread the word, forming bandwagons, with half-baked reasoning and second hand information (most of you are victim to this, including me).
3. It reaches somebody else and somebody tells them that they are soon to be gone.
4. The person to be Exiled goes off UNDEFENDED.
5. The person to be Exiled starts off making random suspicions. (For Judy, it was Claire and Jenn; For Carrie, it was me.)
6. Of course, without much resistance, the person goes.

We have to do something different. It is time for us to make the DECISIONS and the change.

We have a sure three person block who want the change, and I hope another three of you would consider these things. We already have a target. If we are successful, we can get two more people from our own connections bringing our pool to 3+3+2 = 8. We can do more after that.

If you are interested, we can start talking AFTER IMPRISONMENT. If I am not around anymore, then you have the names of the other four people I sent this to. At least one of them share my sentiments.

Why did we chose you, because I believe (and I think others would agree) that you guys are at least TRYING to do something but just don't have much evidence. Now we have a pool of suspicions that we can work with. Again, we will talk AFTER IMPRISONMENT.

We know at least one of you can be a spy, and for that I'm a sure goner. But right now, I'm willing to take that risk. I still believe the Spies are mostly in that "group" and hopefully those who will not be receiving this.

Again, talking after Imprisonment.

Ja mata ne (See you later)

Tenchi-kun


DONT TELL ANYONE I SENT THIS TO YOU

[Bebe]

5/26/07
To: Trina
Re: READ THIS


wow trina

i assume that's from tenchi cuz of the japanese, and not reicheru (lol)

i also bet arthur had a hand in making that cuz of how anti-anneliese's group he was.

it's an interesting idea - who's the target? the anti-bandwagon alliance - what do you think?

[Bebe]

5/26/07
From: Trina
Re: READ THIS


tenchi hasnt said yet but prolly jack.

dont know how i feel bout it lol

[Bebe]

5/27/07
To: Raphael
Subject: important question


raphael i have an important question so please write me back asap ok?

could you please describe how you got your gift? when you received a gift in your confessional was there some sort of special story? or did sam just say "ok raphael you have a gift and here is what it is"?

thanks!!

[Bebe]

5/27/07
From: Raphael
Re: important question


Ok, he started a new thread in my confessional entitled "You have recieved a gift" The story that was given to me was that I woke up and went to my front door only to find a neatly wrapped gift with a tag on it. I do not know if I am allowed to say what the tag said specifically, but it went along the lines of saying that I was chosen to recieve a gift and that they hope I use it wisely. And than it said that it was from the gift giver. Followed by this was the description on my gift and the restrictions that were put on it.

Why do you ask?