Another Scrambled Vote Tonight? Apparently So

[Trina]

Well, its either people voting for me it seems or just no one is online and wanting to talk about the vote. I don't know what it is and exile is tonight.

I guess I'll be open and say that as well. I don't know who is going and a lot of people are still up in the air as votes.

I just want everyone to know that my vote for Anneliese was a throw away vote like many of yours last round. Anneliese is in no way a spy. Taylor used the MisMatch Item on myself and Anneliese so that confirms us as both citizens. If you don't think I'm a citizen then so be it but I assure you that Anneliese and I are both citizens. Anneliese has an ability and she proved it and although there is no way that I am a confirmed citizen yet, from my view I am confirmed.

Another person that is confirmed is the Gift Giver. They are also a citizen obvious and someone called the Decision Maker. Though I am a bit iffy on the Decision Maker since I think there is much more to that, I can for now believe they are confirmed.

So this is how the votes look like its heading towards

People are leaning towards Brooks, including myself.

Claire is defending Brooks like crazy. Everytime the name comes up she automatically thinks he's a citizen.

If you think Claire is a citizen, then Brooks must be as well in my view.

There is talk about getting Bebe outta this game and the spy does know "every thing" apparently and I admit that Bebe is the person I talk to most frequently in the game and tell nearly everything to. Also in the spy letter it says "She's not a great player. We can use her." I assume that person is me if its a spy I trust. So the person I trust most is Bebe and it very well could be that she's a spy and is using me but I'm not willing to vote her.

Bebe converses with Jack and Shane as well as most people but she does tell me that she talks to both Jack and Shane. I've had my suspicions on Shane and Jack for a while but I don't think there is enough support to try to accuse both of them.

People say Jack is confirmed because of the Anneliese thing but let me put it in this scenario...

I tried to ask Anneliese to confirm this but she disconnected from IM right after I asked her about this...

If Anneliese trusted Jack with her role since Day 1 and gave him the word in Episode 1...

Could it be likely that Jack told Imagine/Jakub about the word and that he had a role and told them not to say anything. Furthermore if Jack knew that Jakub was leaving that episode, he could have planned something so that Jakub posted the word and pushed for Tyler to go but knew Jakub would. Jakub didn't seem anti-social as much but I may be wrong but enough to post the word.

Second, in the second episode, Leena was imprisoned and in the third episode Audrey was imprisoned for "no apparent reason." Well one of hte justification for the reasoning could very well be that Jack, Reicheru or whoever is "confirmed" told them the word and soon imprisoned them afterwards. It makes sense with Leena who was imprisoned as a total shock to people but if Jack/Reicheru told them about the word and had them posted it, wouldn't that be less shocking then? I don't Audrey would post the word since she was a newcomer and I don't think the original group knew how committed to the game Audrey was so they fear she may reveal things.

So there's my theory on Jack, Reicheru. Another person to seriously contemplate is Shane.

I heard from varied sources that around 3 / 4 o clock on the night of exile 4, Shane said that Jennipher is not a spy. Later on in the night he flopped his vote and said she was. He pushed for Jennipher along with Jack. And in the chat there was this whole discussion about gifts that came about. Apparently at first it seems that Shane received a "gift" to save Anneliese. That prompted me to think whether that is true or not because...

I have been in contact with the Gift Giver since episode 3 of the game and have given my input on who should receive gifts each round. I only went around asking people if they were Santa Clause if they were the Gift Giver since I received Immunity from Imprisonment in Episode 3. If Shane received a Gift in Episode 4, then he is lying because there are only two confirmed gifts in episode 4, the MISMATCH that Taylor has and Double votes by Raphael. This leads me to believe that Shane got it in some other way but I don't know how honestly.

So I talked to Jack about this and he grew suspicious of Shane as well. We talked for about 20 minutes and then Jack and I suddenly stopped talking. Later on, after silence for 25-30 minutes, Jack comes back and says "I was wrong about Shane." And reveals information that came out of the blue. This is only questionable to me because throughout teh whole game, Jack would never exploit teh name of a person or anything...and BOOM there it was, after 25-30 minutes of silence, Jack comes back and tries to defend Shane by any means necessary.

I talked to Jack prior to Exile 4 and right after Imprisonment 4 and tried to figure out who saved Anneliese or whomevver was imprisoned. The first person I thought of was Shane and Jack simply denied it. Do I know for certain that Shane was the person who saved Anneliese or whomever was imprisoned? You have to ask me to find out.

Ok now here's the shocker of the whole night.

I have an ability as well. It's called Do or Die and I plan to use it tonight in the exile. Basically before the vote timer clocks down to 0, I cast a vote. If I am not satisfied with the exile votes, I use this ability to void all other exile votes and cast my sole exile vote against someone I want. If that person is a spy, I stay in the game. If the person is a citizen, I get exiled instead.

So not only would this ability confirm a citizen, it also confirms I am a citizen if a spy is in the game. And if I am confirmed a citizen, Anneliese is a confirmed citizen.

I will most likely use this ability on either Shane or Jack tonight. Most likely Jack because you all gain a valuable citizen in the long run if he turns out to be a citizen. So best of luck and I'm tired of all the avoiding information.

Good luck yall

-Trina

PS. I wont be on until 2 hours before the exile vote. Send me PMs.

[Brooks]

Well since I wouldn't be here tonight, and I am leaving in the next ten minutes.

If the majority decides that they think I am the one to go, pay very close attention to the votes.

[Arthur]

I'm voting either Bebe or Miles.

[Raphael]

I'm not sure who I am voting for, so please feel free to IM or PM me to sway me one way or another.

[Shane]

Trina, who told you I said Jennipher wasn't a Spy, they lied.

I also never claimed to receive a gift, and I'll tell you straight up right now, that I did not receive a gift.

I saved Anne? Please, tell me more about my secret ability. It's so secret, even I don't know I have it!

[Taylor]

Shane, From my understand you saved that group from imprisonment last round, maybe im mistaken, but im pretty sure its in another thread.

[Taylor]

*understanding

[Shane]

Alright then. May I hear who said that?

[Shane]

Also, Trina, please, use your little power on me. I beg you. Maybe this way people will have someone they can trust for sure, though I'll be Imprisoned in two days.

[Taylor]

it was in the burg, i'll find it. hold tight shane.

[Taylor]

okay, i can't find it so it must've been in the chat after last exile....yall know what im talking about - if i am remembering correctly, someone said you got a gift and used it to save a group of people at the last imprisonment and listed the people, but i dont remember who said that you were given that gift, nor teh group of people other than it included anneleise. someone help me out please lol.

[Shane]

I'd love to hear who said I received a gift, but I didn't. That person is lying, and most likely a Spy.

[Anneliese]

I have half a mind to call the bluff of this ability altogether, however since I am so "confirmed", I will humor you the best that I can. The odds of anybody being able to tell someone to post a word and then imprisoning them are mostly unlikely. Imagine was never even online before Imprisoned, and I don't think Leena would have been that stupid... I won't totally outrule it but if they did that then kudos because they're great spies

Trina, I implore you to use your "power", if you have it, on something a little more fruitful. Perhaps someone EVERYONE seems to suspect and YOU'RE not even sure if you can trust, like Bebe. It doesn't make sense to me why you would use this ability on someone who people don't even vote for or truly suspect. So, again, all I'm asking is that if you do use this Do Or Die, at least use your brain first.

[Jack]

This will be a lengthy response...

Trina said:

Could it be likely that Jack told Imagine/Jakub about the word and that he had a role and told them not to say anything. Furthermore if Jack knew that Jakub was leaving that episode, he could have planned something so that Jakub posted the word and pushed for Tyler to go but knew Jakub would. Jakub didn't seem anti-social as much but I may be wrong but enough to post the word.

Second, in the second episode, Leena was imprisoned and in the third episode Audrey was imprisoned for "no apparent reason." Well one of hte justification for the reasoning could very well be that Jack, Reicheru or whoever is "confirmed" told them the word and soon imprisoned them afterwards. It makes sense with Leena who was imprisoned as a total shock to people but if Jack/Reicheru told them about the word and had them posted it, wouldn't that be less shocking then? I don't Audrey would post the word since she was a newcomer and I don't think the original group knew how committed to the game Audrey was so they fear she may reveal things.

Plausible theory, however also a risky one. However, I don't speak for those who have taken it upon themselves to trust me, because I have never asked them to. However, from my perspective, I am able to have a better idea of who to go after myself. The whole reason I had to bring this up was because of the mess I had made with the lack of understanding of Anneliese's ability. Had I left it the way it was without any clarification, Reicheru would no longer be here, and I'm not so sold on her being a spy as a result of what happened.

Trina said:

I heard from varied sources that around 3 / 4 o clock on the night of exile 4, Shane said that Jennipher is not a spy. Later on in the night he flopped his vote and said she was. He pushed for Jennipher along with Jack. And in the chat there was this whole discussion about gifts that came about. Apparently at first it seems that Shane received a "gift" to save Anneliese. That prompted me to think whether that is true or not because...

Never knew that Shane didn't suspect Jennipher, however, I was the one who told him about what Anneliese had told me, so that very likely is the cause of his "flop".

Trina said:

I have been in contact with the Gift Giver since episode 3 of the game and have given my input on who should receive gifts each round. I only went around asking people if they were Santa Clause if they were the Gift Giver since I received Immunity from Imprisonment in Episode 3. If Shane received a Gift in Episode 4, then he is lying because there are only two confirmed gifts in episode 4, the MISMATCH that Taylor has and Double votes by Raphael. This leads me to believe that Shane got it in some other way but I don't know how honestly.

So I talked to Jack about this and he grew suspicious of Shane as well. We talked for about 20 minutes and then Jack and I suddenly stopped talking. Later on, after silence for 25-30 minutes, Jack comes back and says "I was wrong about Shane." And reveals information that came out of the blue. This is only questionable to me because throughout teh whole game, Jack would never exploit teh name of a person or anything...and BOOM there it was, after 25-30 minutes of silence, Jack comes back and tries to defend Shane by any means necessary.

You say that my information came out of the blue, and I'd like to know why you think that that is the case. In fact, you were the one who came to me wanting to know the name of the person who had received a gift. Well, that is where the confusion came from. I thought that Shane had been given a gift when in fact he said that it was a role ability that he could only use one time. That confusion is where my suspicion came from, and that was negated when I had gone back to read my conversations with him, at which point I notified you since you had said you would begin going after him. Would you rather that I left that unsaid?

And what do you mean "by any means necessary"? Post our conversation and point out how I defended him "by any means necessary". I simply pointed out my mistake, and recommended you didn't go after him. You're just pumping more juice into it than there really is.

Shane was indeed the person who came to me claiming to have saved everyone. Since he's practically begging to be confirmed, it might do you some good to start wondering just how else everyone else would have been saved. Perhaps the person who "really" did it is too scared to speak up? Wouldn't that be a hefty risk for a spy to make? Think about it. Now everyone knows that Shane claims to be responsible for the lack of Imprisonment this episode. If he is lying, now would be the BEST time for whoever is REALLY responsible to speak up and contradict that claim, because at that point we would have a 50% shot at nailing a spy, because one of the two would be lying. Well, guess what? I see no counter-claim, so using your ability on Shane would be a waste of your ability.

I don't really fancy the idea of having the ability used on me, either, because I'm not really looking forward to Imprisonment, however, it also guarantees, from my perspective, that you waste our Exile this time around. So before you go and make that decision, I strongly advice you to look for anyone else who you think has a better chance of being a Spy. If you really think I'm the best shot, then go for it. But either way, the worst case scenario is a confirmed Citizen. It doesn't matter who it is, it just matters that you tried your best to get the most beneficial outcome from your ability, and that would be from targeting a Spy, not a Citizen.