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Post by Anneliese on May 21, 2007 22:29:26 GMT -5
After receiving long awaited confirmation from Sam, I have IMPORTANT news regarding everything that has gone on the past few days.
The Secret Word had to be posted IN THE CONFESSIONAL, NOT AS PART OF A CONVERSATION (Aka, you have to type the word yourself).
Therefore, if it was in its own thread, or if you copy/pasted it from a conversation, it would not count...
Tenchi (I have confirmation, going back to the first week he posted), and Jessica both posted the word in its own thread. That is why their points were not counted, nor will they be, because it did not meet with the rules.
Therefore, the 6 points clearly comes from myself, Reicheru, and Jack, who all posted it correctly. (Jack posted incorrectly the first time, correctly the second).
This more or less clears all of us, unless I am lying about the entire thing, and am a spy. If that's true, I'm the worst spy ever.
So, we're back to the drawing board for this week, but all I want to say is if you're still thinking about going Reicheru or Tenchi, I would highly recommend you reconsider. This week the suspicions placed on them were because of a misunderstanding about their power, and I highly doubt that any of the 5 in question (which includes myself) is a spy.
Since Jennipher says she forgot to post my word, I can't say one way or another what her alignment is. However, I am back to my old ways of trusting Tenchi, Jack, Reicheru, and Jessica because of this misunderstanding being cleared up, and for any one to vote for them because of this week, AFTER we have settled this situation would be at best, highly suspicious...
So, anyone want to re-kindle their old spy suspicions and gain us some ground before Exile, now that, although we have cleared some people, we are "back to the drawing board?"
I understand all of this looks highly suspicious on my part... But... All I can say is if I were a spy I would not have been this stupid lol.
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Post by Anneliese on May 21, 2007 22:32:35 GMT -5
**Edit** - Not "their" power, my power.
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Post by Trina on May 21, 2007 22:44:46 GMT -5
Although I do admit that this breakthrough material, lets not jump ahead of ourselves and say the 5 is definitely all cleared.
1. Who is to say that Jessica and Tenchi are cleared. They didn't post the word. Although Anneliese says that they have tried effortly to find out what the problem was, that doesn't make a confirmed citizen in any way.
2. Trying to think out of the box now for these next few...but what if Jessica and Tenchi were both spies and collaboarated and understood what had to be done. This is unlikely but if Tenchi and Jessica knew exactly that it had to be posted in the confessional instead of its own thread, and just made it up to look like they didn't know they do it wrong when they intently did it wrong themselves.
3. Anneliese could have definitely lied a lot and conjure a lot of this up.
All im saying is that despite the effort put in by most of the group in this whole bunker mess, every citizen should not jump to conclusion that at the 5 are cleared because I feel there is something missing. It's odd but just my opinion on this.
So right now, I feel jack reicheru and anneliese are citizens but honestly with no posts by tenchi or jess...there is no confirmation for them yet.
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Post by Anneliese on May 21, 2007 23:00:31 GMT -5
Again, a good point, and I don't blame you for not trusting that all 5 of us are citizens. However, as far as I am concerned, I now have better than a 1 in 3 chance of catching a spy... But while 2 is not very likely, the other 2 are. Like I said though, I remember Tenchi telling me he was posting it in a separate thread. At that time it was not fully clear to me that that was not acceptable.
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Post by Jack on May 21, 2007 23:06:07 GMT -5
No, you're right. Those two are not confirmed. However, don't you find it a bit too coincidental that everything wound up being perfectly conclusive? How could Anneliese have possibly made all of this up before hand? To me, there are two really solid points in Anneliese's defense:
1) She came up with the number 27 as the requirement to build her bunker. She did this BEFORE any of us knew that there was a second group of players out there. Don't you think that 27 is a rather HIGH requirement for 15 players? Think about it. 2 players go every week. Even if Anneliese knew 4 other players who were citizens, and had herself & those four post the word every episode, it would take 6 episodes(5*5 = 25, 5*6 = 30) to reach that goal. By that time, it is EXTREMELY likely that more than one of those players would have bitten the dust. In fact, it was Reicheru who pointed this out to me, and it makes sense.
2) She came up with the number SIX as the # of point contributions for her bunker thus far. How coincidental is it that everything wound up snapping in place like that?
Your second point, Trina, is why Tenchi & Jessica aren't exactly "confirmed" yet. Give it one more episode, though...
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Post by Bruce on May 22, 2007 6:50:59 GMT -5
the only way i can see this as even being conceivably made up on anneliese's part would be if the five of you are the five spies and were running with this plan together, which is very doubtful (but if you are, i commend you all!). i don't this confirms anyone as a spy or a citizen; tenchi and jessica could have easily made an honest mistake, and they just as easily could have done it intentionally. reicheru and jack could be honestly helping by posting the word, but they could just as easily be doing it to 'confirm' themselves so that they're not suspected. anneliese could easily be telling the truth, but could easily be making it up, too. there aren't many absolutes or certainties in this game, just probabilities. right now probabilities look good for anneliese, jack, and reicheru, but they're still not certainties. my take on this is that we should all go with our gut. i know i want followups from tenchi and jessica, whom i haven't spoken with or seen since this mess came up, i won't be making any judgments until then, i don't think anyone else should either. if you suspect somebody, vote for them, don't just hop on a tenchi or jessica bandwagon because you think those are the only options available, this situation is mixed up to where anything could be true. there are just as many reasons to vote brooks or arthur as there are tenchi and jessica  |
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Post by Tenchi on May 22, 2007 8:19:30 GMT -5
After people put me "under the bus" and now it looks like everything snaps?
This is really fishy.
I will be online for this morning and later this evening, and hopefully I can do some last minute information gathering. Again, if you have questions, do not hesitate contact me, or anybody else via the boards or PM. Just like how Shane taught me in the COMPLAINTS FOR SAM thread (thanks Shane for telling me the easier way of doing this. I thought there was a missing part on the menu lol).
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Post by Reicheru on May 22, 2007 8:30:28 GMT -5
Jack makes the same point as I do about the original number of twenty seven posts. I confirm Anneliese told us this BEFORE the newcomers arrived. It is why I suspect her early on, I think "There is no way she can ever finish the bunker if she needs that many posts." Now it makes a great deal more sense.
HOWEVER, I strongly doubt that anybody can be trusted purely on basis of this. What is to stop any of us from simply ASKING a citizen to post the word in their confessionals, especially if that citizen is to be exiled or imprisoned shortly? Leena, Jakub, Audrey or Judith could have been conned into doing it.
I am VERY doubtful of the idea that anybody is "safe" just because they are supposed to have posted a word in their confessional at a particular time. This seems to me hugely naive. I accept Anneliese as safe, but nobody else.
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Post by Tenchi on May 22, 2007 9:05:48 GMT -5
In due fairness:
I confirm that Rei said that: "27 is too high" early enough. She also said that: "it makes sense" when the newcomers arrived.
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Post by Jack on May 22, 2007 9:06:10 GMT -5
Maybe confirmed is a hefty title to wield, but from my perspective, I see only indications of innocence from this group with the way things wound up concluding. Reicheru is the exception, of course, with her lying about her role. But that can be saved for another day.
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Post by Reicheru on May 22, 2007 9:44:26 GMT -5
Well naturally you'd say that... if anybody DID tell a citizen to post a certain word in their confessional, I know it wasn't me, and Anneliese is safe. Trying to cover your ass, Jack?
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Post by Jack on May 22, 2007 10:14:33 GMT -5
Well naturally you'd say that... if anybody DID tell a citizen to post a certain word in their confessional, I know it wasn't me, and Anneliese is safe. Trying to cover your ass, Jack? You may want to clarify yourself, because that didn't quite make sense. |
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Post by Tenchi on May 22, 2007 10:20:37 GMT -5
Check your PM.
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Post by Jack on May 22, 2007 10:22:15 GMT -5
Anyway, I'm going to assume you're simply pissed off because you weren't included on the "safelist." But, let's put it this way: It's not even a safelist. It's just my own perceptual view of who _I_ think is likely to be a spy. I don't expect anyone else to take it as such, but I'm putting it out there anyway so I don't have to explain countless times why I will or will not vote for such and such a person. In any event, I think everyone deserves such an explanation after the fiasco we went through the past few days with all of the miscommunications.
None of this revolves around your lie, however, which is something else to be determined. I'm not going to hold it against you for now, beause I think there are other points working in your favor while there are other points working against others.
Like Bruce said, we shouldn't be using this to "clear" anyone. Anneliese could be lying. It's simply that I highly doubt it at this point. Let me say it again: I doubt it. I don't expect anyone else to see things from my point of view.
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Post by Taylor on May 22, 2007 12:07:54 GMT -5
Anyway, I guess I'll share my bit of "breaking news" --- I got a gift from the "gift giver" this episode and I got to pick 2 people and i would learn if they matched or mismatched... if they matched, well then they were both spies or both citizens (regardless of ability/power/role/etc). If they mismatched one was a spy and one was a citizen.... ANYWAY... lets get down to it.... I chose Annaleise and Trina. Mostly chose Annaleise because she'd been the center of spy suspicions for a few days and trina b/c she wasnt, if that makes sense. Anyway, it was a match.... so basically Trina and Annaleise are both spies or both citizens. personally? I think both citizens. Not only are the odds in their favor (it'd be much more likely for citizens to match than spies to match) - but Annaleise seems to be coming out alright from this drama, and I don't suspect Trina. So there is my contribution for the moment.
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Post by Raphael on May 22, 2007 12:42:53 GMT -5
Since we are all sharing breaking news, I also recieved a gift. I was planning on discussing this with everyone individually just to get some thoughts, but I guess I will post it publicly here in the Burg. But, basically my gift is the have three extra votes at the next exile, one of which is going to be for myself because that is part of the stipulation. So I basically get two extra votes. So I was wondering who or what two people I should throw the extra votes towards. I will try and be online as much as possilbe today to get thoughts, and if I have an away message, please still IM me.
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Post by Raphael on May 22, 2007 12:59:57 GMT -5
Or please PM me instead because my internet is really meesed up at the moment, I think that it has something to do with the I.T. department at my school and you never know with those people when they are going to fix it.
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Post by Jennipher on May 22, 2007 13:33:04 GMT -5
I have no news in this department, I just wanted to say that I am planning on including the word in my confessionals and all of these speculations flying is still not helping us as a group, narrow anything down. Everyone seems to have their own lists, and we all need to find a way to take blame off anyone and look at things together and objectivly as a whole. Just my two cents.
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Post by Shane on May 22, 2007 14:56:19 GMT -5
Time for me to post here.
First thing, we all know SOMEONE was save last round. No idea who, but based on the last episode, smart money is on Anneliese being the saved one. Obviously, from Jack's post in the other thread, it was one of Arthur, Anne, Jack or Reicheru that was saved. Of them four, I'm 99% sure that Anne was the person. Anne posted a "role". Made up or not, if she wasn't a Spy, they had to take her out. It's a huge risk to leave her around if it's true. Jack, Rei and Arthur don't seem like plausible candidate for the last Imprisonment, at all. So Anneliese had to be one saved, based on the information we have. All assuming Jack's source wasn't a lie, which I wager wasn't.
So, now we have Anne, a Citizen, who may or may not have lied. Who cares? She's a Citizen regardless, maybe a reckless one, but still a Citizen. If the Spies did indeed target her last round, she'll go tomorrow, unless someone spills something huge that the Spies can't ignore. We should use these last few days with Anneliese to get whatever out of her we can, instead of saying she may have lied, and thus might be a Spy. It's bullshit. We all know she's not a Spy, and to say otherwise should put suspicion of you for thinking it.
Now, assuming Anneliese was telling the truth about her role, which based on five people confirming her role, and all the other shit going along with it, it's gotta be true, though maybe she exaggerated part of it. Who cares?
That leaves us with the groupings of Tenchi/Reicheru or Jessica/Jack as Spies. One of them are. Who? Well we'll see after tonight, since it seems one of them will be going. Hopefully it clears up.
One thing to note, Jessica has been conveniently absent for a while. My money is on her and Tenchi.
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Post by Shane on May 22, 2007 15:03:28 GMT -5
Since I forgot to post my reason for Tenchi...
Tenchi, instead of just saying he may have posted this word wrong, has been running around trying to find loopholes in Anneliese's story to say that he may have messed up, and that it's not his fault.
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Post by Raphael on May 22, 2007 15:06:46 GMT -5
Internet is fixed, so please IM me!
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Post by Arthur on May 22, 2007 15:28:10 GMT -5
I have a gift too, but I don't know what it is.
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Post by Jessica on May 22, 2007 15:56:00 GMT -5
Sorry if I have been absent recently. It was a long weekend with Victoria Day (Canadian holiday) and I had friends over the whole weekend. I tried to check in every now and then for updates, but I didn't have time to get onto AIM and have conversations and whatnot.
I was on last night and talked with Anneliese, Jack ,and Trina after the Heroes finale. There should be no problem with me being on tonight.
If there were any questions addressed to me throughout the entire fiasco that I didn't see to answer, could you re-ask them. I would be glad to answer them. I will probably be on AIM a lot today/tonight if anyone wants to talk.
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Post by Jessica on May 22, 2007 16:11:11 GMT -5
And about the word. When Anneliese told me to post it she confirmed with me that what I did was alright, so I don't want people thinking that I purposely posted it wrong, or claimed to have posted it wrong to avoid suspicion. Here is the section from the chat log. spies3Anneliese (5:42:47 PM): All you have to do is post the word "*edited out*" in your confessional spies3Anneliese (5:43:00 PM): it can't be in your conversations to count though, you have to make sure it's in the confessional  spies3Jessica (5:43:03 PM): Like a new thread? spies3Anneliese (5:43:26 PM): If you want spies3Anneliese (5:43:32 PM): I just make it a large post in my confessional for the week spies3Jessica (5:43:31 PM): ok spies3Jessica (5:44:33 PM): well, gotta go now spies3Jessica (5:44:36 PM): seeya So I posted it in a new thread I made and anneliese knew as well. She was just mistaken about the specifics that it had to be in the confessional thread. Also, anneliese, you may want to confirm this chat segment. |
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Post by Anneliese on May 22, 2007 16:58:33 GMT -5
I can completely confirm what Jessica just said.
However, Shane, I would like to remind you that the "revelation" of information no longer supports the Tenchi/Reicher or Jack/jessica, one is a spy and one is a citizen. However, confirmation is different. But mathematically the situation is resolved.
I hope to be around tonight but it is the American Idol Finale so we'll see.
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Post by Tenchi on May 22, 2007 17:42:00 GMT -5
Since I forgot to post my reason for Tenchi... Tenchi, instead of just saying he may have posted this word wrong, has been running around trying to find loopholes in Anneliese's story to say that he may have messed up, and that it's not his fault. First Shane, I never cleared myself in this whole mess. And I never said it was not my fault. Next, I brought up the issue of technicalities, because in the first place, the rules of the ability were not clear, and now I am not so sure of Annie's ability anymore and how it put two of my most trustworthy friends in this confusion, and all the other issues mentioned in my previous posts. You, and all the members of this Burg who SHOULD actually give a damn about this game, should read the hottest three topics fully. Again, I don't want to assume anymore. Yes, Annie is likely to be saved, but again, the keyword here is LIKELY. Anyway, I have an away message right now but you can still PM/AIM me though I will be replying slowly. Nobody else except Jack and Reicheru has talk to me since yesterday. Jenn tried but I was away and now she's offline. If you want to discuss things with me, PM me or AIM. |
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Post by Tenchi on May 22, 2007 18:46:57 GMT -5
Sorry I can't edit my posts. (Shane and I talked about this)
Shane "gives a damn"
You inactives don't.
I know who you are and the Burg knows that too. Stop hiding under your rocks and following bandwagons. Ive heard of TWO names that come up in this Exile. I am sure some of you will just vote based on secondhand information. I will be after you and grill you if you don't pick your act up.
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Post by Anneliese on Jul 27, 2007 16:29:59 GMT -5
Looking back on ALL of this, it pisses me off that Rei trusted Tenchi so much, considering every time I noticed he was being so suspicious she convinced me NOT to vote for him  |
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Post by Carrie on Jul 27, 2007 20:09:25 GMT -5
Somehow Tenchi pulled off being trustworthy and yet suspicious at the same time to just about everyone. Can't blame it on Rei, gotta give props to the pizza boy.
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Post by Anneliese on Jul 27, 2007 22:55:07 GMT -5
True, I'm not trying to blame it all on anyone... But she did seem to have some quite blind trust in him that at least directed Jack and myself to other people...
ALthough, I had the same blind trust in Jessica, so I can't be too much of a hypocrite... It's just interesting to think back on now.
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