To the other spies

[Jessica]

I made a promise on finale night (I'm sure you remember) that I was not able to fulfill. I am now able to fulfill it so catch me on AIM if you want

[Anneliese]

Ewwwwww

[Meaghan aka claire]

Really I'm good, but thanks for the offer.

[Reicheru]

Annie, I will call your "Ewwwwwww" and raise you an "Uuuuuuuuurgh".

[Matthew]

What happened?

[Anneliese]

If you weren't so busy annoying the shit out of everyone, you might have noticed.

[Matthew]

...

[Reicheru]

Ouchies, Anneliese.

Elias promised to provide "revealing" (and by revealing I mean nekkid) pictures of himself to his fellow spies if they won. Given Elias' description of himself, I think I will kindly but firmly decline his offer before backing out of the door and running off into the night as though all the daemons of Hell were chasing me.

[Anneliese]

Oh come on, as if Matthew wasn't ridiculously annoying.

[Judge Sam]

Don't be a dick Ryan =P

[Reicheru]

Hmmm... I seem to remember that it was YOU who drove me to nine "fucks", Anneliese.

And was I the only one in the game who actually quite LIKED Matthew? He could've been a lot more active, and it's a shame that he wasn't, but at least he knew his own mind and stuck to it. Oh, and he was usually right, at least in the final round.

And, just to be really contentious, I quite liked Arthur too. He had by far the most imaginative answer to my opening thing about "I've heard there may be Government spies among us... what do you think?" in the first round, and he didn't have the habit of waiting ten minutes to write a two word answer to a question/statement. He reminded me a bit of Rodney, he has a dry sense of humour that is actually quite witty if you get it, and I could talk a bit more openly to him on account of 1) I could trust him not to change his mind about who to exile every two seconds (unlike CERTAIN OTHER PEOPLE *cough*Jack*cough*) and 2) I was as confident as I could be about anybody that he really wasn't a spy and wouldn't repeat stuff to other people if I asked him not to.

Other unpopular people I've liked: Nicole (EASILY the best and most perceptive citizen of Spies 2 apart from Karl and Rodney), Davoni, Jennipher, Sage. My absolute least favourite players would be Jenna, Adriana and Taylor, although I really liked Judith, Gindi and Bebe so I hope the first two don't take it personally. Taylor... I called her "useless and obnoxious" in my last confessional and frankly I haven't seen too much in the private stuff to change my mind on that one. Maybe she can in Spies 4 if she comes back, I hope so for the sake of the other players. Jenna was my absolute least favourite player in Spies 2 and Judith, played by the same person, was my favourite in Spies 3, so it can happen.

[Anneliese]

Sorry Sam, but David is making Matthew sound FAR more proactive than he actually was... He was mostly inactive, mostly counter-intuitive, and his suspicions were NOT generally right, need I remind you of Week 5 were it was Matthew's insanity that caused Trina to use do or die because HE insisted that I be exiled in that round and people followed him?!?!(question marks times 1000000)

I drove you to nine fucks because I endangered YOUR stay in the game. Matthew drove me to saying the word fuck in my mind over and over again because as wrong as you and I were for a lot of the time, at least we tried.

Arthur was also at many times barely active, and almost never proactive. I can't argue that I disliked Arthur because he and I were pretty much a lot alike (I finally figured out why I hated him) and therefore could never agree with one another... Our biggest difference was I was willing to trust those that I shouldn't have and he wasn't.


And if you're really bringing Jack into question here, I recommend you hide all lead pipes and shotguns in your vacinity from my view. Jack was more productive than either one of us and you know it. And he was definitely worlds more trustworthy and productive than Arthur or Matthew.


Overall, it's how you view the game of Spies. I know that if I get exiled or Imprisoned it doesn't count as a win for me if citizens win... But in my eyes, it will. That's our big difference - you were so concerned with self-preservation that I let it rub off on me and I wound up just screwing people over... If I had followed my gut about taking the bunker info public and not retracting it to save you, Jack, and Tenchi (biggest eye-roll ever on that one, miss "Nine Fucks") from imprisonment, then we would not have mislynched on Exile 5 and forced Trina out of the game, we would not have mislynched on Exile 6, or 6.5. There's also a good chance we wouldn't have mislynched on Exile 4 either.

I don't understand how you could enjoy Matthew. He was NOT productive at all, and just found more entertainment in being an ass than anything else. For you to not agree with this, would be denying the truth. Need I post quotes from Exile Chats?

[Semiamused Reicheru]

"His suspicions were NOT generally right."

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he the only person to name all five spies before the finale? Ever?

"Arthur was also at many times barely active, and almost never proactive. I can't argue that I disliked Arthur because he and I were pretty much a lot alike (I finally figured out why I hated him) and therefore could never agree with one another... Our biggest difference was I was willing to trust those that I shouldn't have and he wasn't."

Actually Arthur trusted Tenchi for most of the game, going on his confessionals. The point is that on a personal level I quite liked his sense of humour.

"Overall, it's how you view the game of Spies. I know that if I get exiled or Imprisoned it doesn't count as a win for me if citizens win... But in my eyes, it will."

OK, take the word of someone who's been there, done that. I felt that I played a very large part in getting Gigi out in Spies 1 - I campaigned against her for most of that round. The fact that others were doing the same (and some of them were my allies, working with me anyway) hardly changes the part that I played. Then I was imprisoned the next round because I was a huge threat to the spies and I'd made it far too obvious, while other citizen-threats had remained much more under the radar. Seeing semi-inactives on the winner's board when I (easily one of the most active of the lot) wasn't, wasn't pleasant. I expect Sage and DJ from Spies 1, and most of the citizens from Spies 2 other than the two winners, would agree with me on that one.

"If I had followed my gut about taking the bunker info public and not retracting it to save you, Jack, and Tenchi (biggest eye-roll ever on that one, miss "Nine Fucks") from imprisonment, then we would not have mislynched on Exile 5 and forced Trina out of the game, we would not have mislynched on Exile 6, or 6.5. There's also a good chance we wouldn't have mislynched on Exile 4 either."

If Jack had followed my advice, and his own original feeling, we would have got Bebe out. Instead he vacillated, couldn't make up his mind, refused point-blank to vote for Bebe, and without his support (Taylor was, as usual, nowhere to be found at the critical time) the only person online who I really knew was a citizen was Arthur. Arthur wanted Bebe or Miles out. I REALLY didn't like taking out a claimed role-player, especially since I thought there was a good chance he was telling the truth, but I didn't have another option since practically everyone else online at the time was a spy. One more citizen down...

"I don't understand how you could enjoy Matthew. He was NOT productive at all, and just found more entertainment in being an ass than anything else. For you to not agree with this, would be denying the truth. Need I post quotes from Exile Chats?"

Hmmm... he should have spoken up more. On the other hand, going on what happened at the exile chats, everyone else would just have told him to shut up anyway. So what the heck, eh?

[Anneliese]

Matthew also helped lead the exile against me, was fully in support of Carrie's exile, claiming that it would give him evidence against Claire which he really never wound up following anyway. He started to get it right by the end of the game, but what was the point? Why would people want to listen to him?

All Matthew proved when he talked to people was that he was obnoxious. I remember the Exile where we lost Trina and he just started rolling dice and saying that whoever came up was a spy, and then he said when Trina used Do or Die that both Trina and Jordan were spies, then he revealed that he didn't even read half of the shit posted in the burg because when Trina left and people said "Anneliese is obviously cleared" he didn't understand why.

Matthew basically was the first person to get the 5 spies correct because most of his conclusions were this:


"I think the 5 spies are:


Tenchi, Reicheru, Anneliese, Jessica, Jack
OR
Tenchi, Jack, Anneliese, Arthur, Carrie
OR
etc."

So, when you basically list combinations of every player in the game and really don't carry through your plans or you don't make them concrete enough for you to actually do some damage, how effect IS it to name all of the spies first?

Matthew tainted his own reputation for not being productive in the same way that you and I tainted our reputations for leading bandwagons against innocent citizens. If I was in the Final 5 and Matthew was the only confirmed citizen alongside of me, I STILL would not have listened to him... He probably would have tried to exile me instead of a spy.

[Matthew]

I wasnt "inactive" persay... last round, i just didnt want to come online, and usually when i was online no one else was...

And yes, i was a fucktard spokenly because some of you guys were fucktards with the exiles. I never voted in the majority except once. And... 100% of the time... the majority was WRONG.

Judith, I didn't think was a spy, and uh.. she wasn't.
Jennipher I didnt think was either, and *NOT*.
Exile #5 may have been but the official majority was for Jordan.
Miles, i didnt think so, and he wasnt. PLUS my vote was for a spy that round. (Claire)
Jack, i dont even want to say it. No way in hell I ever thought of suspecting him.
And the fateful last round the streak continued.




Yes my votes sometimes were wrong, but they were for people who i suspected. The point of the game is to vote for who you think is a spy. Whether or not I get people behind me is out of my control. I tried. But did it happen? No one listened to me at first, and i made it stay that way, cause i didnt want to be listened to. I knew we werent winning this game. So I stopped bothering with you people, ergo the no log-on Final Round.

and no. My first guess was Tenchi, Reicheru, Claire, Arthur, Anneliese.

Then a week later I replaced Reicharu with Bebe.

A week and a half before the final exile i switched Anneliese with Jessica.

And finally two or three days before last exile i thought. Raphael in since I suspected Tenchi and the other side was leaning toward Arthur.

Overtime i changed my guess basically, when though i cant remember but it wasnt like on the same day i listed every possibility of 5 people and said it was one of those.

And Anneliese, if you wouldn't listen to me then id just go "Then lose, you stupid bitch."

Note: For the suspect list, i dont remember everything exactly lmao...

[Tired as hell Reicheru]

Hey, I'm not disagreeing with anything you're saying about Matthew (although the fact remains his last suspect list was 100% accurate, and it's the only one I know of that was.) But if you're going on how "useful" anyone was, then I'd put pretty much all of us at the equal bottom of an extra-large pile. NO SPY WAS EXILED. There wasn't a "best" citizen. (I'd find it pretty hard to name a "worst" one either.) Nobody "led" a successful exile. Jack didn't, Bruce didn't, you didn't, I didn't. One could make the point that a lot of people didn't really TRY to lead, but frankly that's like arguing about who was most proactive rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. In the end it doesn't make a helluva lot of difference.

The only people who REALLY led, despite what we tried to do, were the spies. I've said all along that Spies is a game of aggression, and the spies - at least four of them, and the fifth was so little suspected that it barely mattered anyway - were more aggressive than the citizens.

At the end I felt that the only people capable of rallying the citizens were Bruce and myself. Bruce (as far as I was concerned) had just posted a "suspect list" in the burg of the three most certain citizens there other than Taylor and myself - Brooks, Arthur and Matthew. I was convinced Bruce was a spy. Claire - the only spy I didn't suspect seriously until the very end - did an absolutely phenomenal job of feeding that suspicion, isolating Bruce, and then taking advantage of it to get his vote in the spies' favour. The bottom line was I couldn't work with Bruce at the end. That's the most immediate reason why we lost.

ALthough frankly, if you have a "citizen alliance" composed only of Taylor and Jordan, I think you're doomed from the start. Of all the possible combinations of people to get stuck with...!

[Jessica]

Matthew was actually one of the harder people to manipulate, he was very strong minded. If he had more sway, he COULD have been dangerous. But unfortunately we wont see until spies 4.

[Tenchi]

I think Jessica wrote the first post when she was drunk... I received this offline message in MSN with an invite to view his webcam

[Jessica]

No, I was sober when I posted this, but the drunken webcam invite was real.