mangling up roles

[Judge Sam]

trina's role is called do or die.

at an exile, she can choose to kill off any player she wants in between the time when sam finishes asking questions and the votes are read.

she can only do this once

the catch: if she kills a citizen, she is exiled too.

this power can be a HUGE advantage to us. if we exile citizen A and she kills off citizen B and then as punishment she is exiled too, we can kill 3 citizens in a single exile.

lmao! that's not even close to the real role.


So Spies know of two of five roles at the moment, which is a lot since they were the first to know with Builder and Do or Die. Thing is although they know the names they have no clue how they actually work... I think the Spies are way clueless with Builder. Although Anneliese has told so many people so many different details I'm all mixed up on which one is which at the moment. I don't think they know what the Bunker does though and they don't know how close Anneliese is to completing it (though she doesn't know either).


It was an interesting choice to pick Anneliese as the Builder. I really think this role would be so different in somebody else's hands. It's almost as unique as the person playing it. What she did is not what I would do. I kind of get the impression that Anneliese hasn't fully thought through her role and what other side-benefits and problems it has. Blowing it all Day 3 was kinda brazen. She definitely should have kept it a secret longer.


What I might have done is start out by telling one person, then each episode adding another person to the club. I don't know if that would help much.


Tired I'll post more later.

[Bebe]

I agree that in theory Anneliese revealed her role too early, but it almost worked out the way she wanted it to. Tenchi and Jessica were very nearly busted because of the bunker and the points, and it took a LOT of scrambling (plus Jack's help and Jennipher's not posting the word) to cover their butts.

Also, when Anneliese did reveal the word to a bunch of people, her number of bunker points went through the roof. Perhaps if the limit had been something more reasonable instead of 27 (Jack pointed out that it would take 5 citizens 6 entire rounds to get 27 points - isn't that excessive?) ... All the Spies except Jessica were against breaking the bunker, so if the required bunker point count had been lower and Jessica had a change of heart, Anneliese would've succeeded.

Furthermore, her constant lying about her role kept the Spies on their toes. We were never certain about any aspect of her role - even sometimes doubting if she even had one at all. I give her a lot of props on that. It takes a hell of a lot of lying to confuse 5 Spies.

Overall, Anneliese gave the Spies a run for their money and almost succeeded in earning her bunker building abilities. Hence why I voted her "Best Citizen" - from a Spies perspective, if we had to face 5 of her, we would've lost the game.

[Jessica]

I agree with everything Bebe said about Anneliese. She scared me the most of all citizens.

[Reicheru]

Wow... that's weird. She scared me the most out of all the citizens too! (If you're wondering why, four words... "The Builder" and "Fake Role".)

[Tenchi]

That's why with a carefully crafted "fake role", Spies might want to keep you around longer, as long as you don't pose an immediate threat.

When I knew that Annie told a bunch of people, I was SO PRO on screwing the bunker. It was the most fun and opportune time.

But yeah, without Jack's help, I would have been gone in the Bunker fiasco...

[Reicheru]

reicheru said:

Wow... that's weird. She scared me the most out of all the citizens too! (If you're wondering why, four words... "The Builder" and "Fake Role".)

When I said about the fake role, I was actually referring to the double-whammy Anneliese pulled on my concerning my lying about the "Seer" role (which I accidentally referred to as "Sage" - LOL to any Spies 1 alumni who remember him!) that I made up to save anyone I knew was being targeted and was a citizen.

The irony being that by showing my role was fake, Anneliese and Bruce managed to stop my main (practically my only) chance of saving Jack much later on. Which is exactly what I'd made it up for - not Jack specifically, but just in case some citizen was threatened with exile. Truly, we citizens contributed so much to our own downfall - ably helped along the way by some sneaky spies, of course, but this one was entirely my citizen "allies"!

[Bebe]

Oh please, Reicheru. If I knew someone was making up a fake role, I'd make sure everyone knew about it because it's the mark of a Spy or an extremely stupid citizen. There's no way you can say Anneliese and Bruce were bad citizens by revealing you were lying about having a role.