ReicheruShe confirms Miles has a role
She retracts her Bebe accusation, and is confusedSunday, June 03, 2007
spies3Reicheru (9:35:44 AM): Tenchi-kun...
spies3Tenchi (9:35:38 AM): ?
spies3Reicheru (9:36:27 AM): Oh boy.
spies3Reicheru (9:36:30 AM): OK...
spies3Reicheru (9:36:36 AM): First I owe you a big apology for deceiving you.
spies3Tenchi (9:36:24 AM): What did I do this time?
spies3Reicheru (9:36:46 AM): Nothing at all.
spies3Tenchi (9:36:32 AM): Huh?
spies3Reicheru (9:36:55 AM): But I have to prevent you targeting Jack.
spies3Reicheru (9:38:46 AM): Last exile I mean.
spies3Tenchi (9:38:45 AM): Well you got Trina to go kill herself.
spies3Reicheru (9:39:06 AM): I have NOTHING to do with that.
spies3Reicheru (9:39:14 AM): I would have chosen many others over Jordan.
spies3Reicheru (9:39:20 AM): I believe her lies - which is ironic...
spies3Tenchi (9:39:28 AM): Well me too though >< I wondered why not use it on someone more... suspicious.
spies3Reicheru (9:40:05 AM): After Jrodan's post in the burg about the video, I almost rule him out... I guess I am right to do so.
spies3Reicheru (9:40:15 AM): I could not see why a spy would ADMIT to being a videographer and then do something like that.
spies3Reicheru (9:40:32 AM): It is a huge, bold double-bluff, relieving him from suspicion he hasn't really picked up anyway...
spies3Reicheru (9:40:36 AM): Or it is a genuine citizen move.
spies3Reicheru (9:40:40 AM): As it turns out to be.
spies3Tenchi (9:40:30 AM): Regardless, he is a Citizen
spies3Reicheru (9:40:48 AM): So is Jack.
spies3Reicheru (9:40:52 AM): And I am certain of this.
spies3Reicheru (9:41:02 AM): I have REASON to be certain, other than deduction this time.
spies3Tenchi (9:40:52 AM): ><
spies3Reicheru (9:41:09 AM): He is investigated.
spies3Reicheru (9:41:19 AM): By someone who is now imprisoned and therefore can be trusted.
spies3Reicheru (9:41:26 AM): As far as I know, only four people ever know about this.
spies3Reicheru (9:41:32 AM): Jack himself, me, Shane and Anneliese.
spies3Tenchi (9:41:19 AM): Not again... ><
spies3Reicheru (9:41:40 AM): Obviously it is one of t hose two who investigates him.
spies3Tenchi (9:41:51 AM): Tell me something believable. How did the "investigation" take place?
spies3Reicheru (9:42:09 AM): Nobody else knows about this.
spies3Reicheru (9:42:17 AM): It is Anneliese.
spies3Tenchi (9:42:16 AM): ?
spies3Reicheru (9:42:30 AM): Her "role" was not a lie, and one other person can confirm this.
spies3Reicheru (9:42:40 AM): TWO investigations take place this episode.
spies3Reicheru (9:42:47 AM): One of them, you know about.
spies3Reicheru (9:42:50 AM): The other, Miles, by me.
spies3Reicheru (9:42:55 AM): Thanks to the gift giver.
spies3Tenchi (9:42:54 AM):
spies3Reicheru (9:43:09 AM): I specifically ask Trina, before she is exiled, to ask the gift giver to give me the power to investigate a person's role.
spies3Reicheru (9:43:17 AM): This episode I get that power.
spies3Reicheru (9:43:19 AM): I use it on Miles.
spies3Reicheru (9:43:31 AM): Unfortunately it only tells me if a person HAS a role, not what that role is.
spies3Reicheru (9:43:37 AM): But Miles has a role.
spies3Tenchi (9:43:31 AM): continue
spies3Reicheru (9:43:57 AM): Sam confirms that both spies and citizens HAVE roles in his preamble to the gift.
spies3Tenchi (9:43:43 AM): I have a life and this game. Give me time to reply.
spies3Tenchi (9:43:55 AM): uhuh
spies3Reicheru (9:44:10 AM): Which, just so you know, actually appears as a picture of a gift, in gold wrapping.
spies3Reicheru (9:44:29 AM): So I do not know whether Miles is a citizen or a spy - and frankly I suspect spy.
spies3Tenchi (9:44:21 AM): ? I have ni gift.
spies3Tenchi (9:44:23 AM): *no
spies3Reicheru (9:44:56 AM): I do not believe Sam would go to all the trouble of making spies discover roles and imprison them -
spies3Reicheru (9:45:03 AM): only for those roles to be taken by another anonymous citizen.
spies3Tenchi (9:44:49 AM): Why? If a person has a role, isnt that person more likely to be a citizen?
spies3Reicheru (9:45:07 AM): It would be blatantly unfair.
spies3Reicheru (9:45:17 AM): HOWEVER, I cannot confirm Miles is a spy or not, so I do not target him.
spies3Reicheru (9:45:29 AM): The point is, he now has the "builder" ability.
spies3Reicheru (9:45:35 AM): (He says.)
spies3Tenchi (9:45:23 AM):
spies3Reicheru (9:45:48 AM): Obviously, he got it from Anneliese.
spies3Tenchi (9:45:35 AM): How did that happen?
spies3Reicheru (9:46:00 AM): He inherits roles from people who are imprisoned or exiled.
spies3Tenchi (9:45:50 AM): But roles do not transfer themsleves right?
spies3Tenchi (9:45:57 AM): ?
spies3Reicheru (9:46:22 AM): Apparently - and I have only his word for this - they do.
spies3Reicheru (9:46:36 AM): He certainly confirms that the builder role exists...
spies3Reicheru (9:46:46 AM): Apparently he needs sixteen points, not twenty seven.
spies3Tenchi (9:46:54 AM): So he REALLY has a role.
spies3Reicheru (9:47:14 AM): He has A role.
spies3Reicheru (9:47:17 AM): I do not know WHICH role
spies3Reicheru (9:47:23 AM): but I can confirm he has A role.
spies3Tenchi (9:47:09 AM): But were not sure if this is REALLY the builder
spies3Reicheru (9:47:28 AM): Hai.
spies3Tenchi (9:47:22 AM): How do we know if he is really the builder?
spies3Reicheru (9:48:01 AM): Well for one thing, Anneliese tells me and Jack, just before she is imprisoned, that she really has the builder role.
spies3Reicheru (9:48:07 AM): She lies about it in order to save herself from imprisonment.
spies3Reicheru (9:48:27 AM): The next round,s he is cleared, and is more of a threat than Jordan... so she is pretty certain she is going.
spies3Reicheru (9:48:36 AM): Check this with Jack.
spies3Reicheru (9:49:01 AM): The point is, NOBODY knows that Jack or I are safe.
spies3Reicheru (9:49:11 AM): And while that is the case, we are not in much danger of imprisonment.
spies3Tenchi (9:49:00 AM): ?
spies3Tenchi (9:49:02 AM): continure
spies3Reicheru (9:49:36 AM): Tenchi, everything Anneliese said about the Builder role - ebfore she "admitted" to making it up - is TRUE.
spies3Reicheru (9:49:41 AM): She lies to protect herself and us.
spies3Reicheru (9:49:49 AM): So far nobody else knows this.
spies3Reicheru (9:49:53 AM): Only Jack, me and you.
spies3Reicheru (9:50:08 AM): And I want it to stay that way, otherwise we both could be imprisoned.
spies3Reicheru (9:50:41 AM): The point is, I think Miles is telling the truth about what role he has... after one role already is investigated (mine)
spies3Reicheru (9:50:47 AM): I do not think eh would dare to lie about this.
spies3Reicheru (9:50:55 AM): What I do NOT know is if that makes him citizen or spy.
spies3Tenchi (9:50:56 AM): Look at this.
spies3Reicheru (9:51:10 AM): And I do not think we can afford to take the risk of exiling him on the idea of his being a spy.
spies3Tenchi (9:51:03 AM): Lets assume you are telling me the truth
spies3Reicheru (9:51:24 AM): For once, I am...
spies3Tenchi (9:51:12 AM): And
spies3Tenchi (9:51:19 AM): You and Jack are confirmed
spies3Tenchi (9:51:26 AM): And lets say Annie is still alive.
spies3Reicheru (9:51:44 AM): Hai.
spies3Tenchi (9:51:46 AM): How did the hell the SPies know that Annie had a role in the first place?
spies3Tenchi (9:52:04 AM): And claim that the role "transferred"
spies3Tenchi (9:52:22 AM): Do you know about the Spies 2 Spymaster?
spies3Reicheru (9:52:39 AM): Well the spies know because Annie tells them in the burg...
spies3Reicheru (9:52:43 AM): No, what is that?
spies3Tenchi (9:52:41 AM): The SPymaster has the ability to investigate for Roles
spies3Reicheru (9:53:02 AM): AH.
spies3Tenchi (9:53:11 AM): Could it be possible that Miles invesitgated Annie, then claimed he has the role?
spies3Reicheru (9:53:33 AM): Hai.
spies3Reicheru (9:53:35 AM): Very possible.
spies3Reicheru (9:53:49 AM): And even if he tells the truth about his role, Miles could still be as py.
spies3Reicheru (9:53:51 AM): Very likely is.
spies3Reicheru (9:53:59 AM): Either possibility could be true.
spies3Tenchi (9:54:58 AM): Still, I still cannot believe anybody can be confirmed unless we have information that the builder REALLY exists.
spies3Tenchi (9:55:06 AM): For one, youre quoting a dead person
spies3Tenchi (9:55:14 AM): ><
spies3Reicheru (9:55:32 AM): Oh, I know he exists... the only problem is, how do we know Miles is it NOW?
spies3Reicheru (9:55:56 AM): There seems no way to confirm that.
spies3Reicheru (9:56:02 AM): Here is my thoughts anyway.
spies3Tenchi (9:55:49 AM): Unless we get a gift ><
spies3Reicheru (9:56:09 AM): Well you may still get one.
spies3Tenchi (9:55:57 AM): Well I havent received a gift ><
spies3Reicheru (9:56:26 AM): I hope the spies do not start targeting people who have not received them...
spies3Reicheru (9:56:34 AM): Anyway, here is my theory, if you are interested.
spies3Reicheru (9:56:41 AM): And i t has to do with your targeting Jack, and what comes of it.
spies3Tenchi (9:56:45 AM): Fine. Shoot
spies3Reicheru (9:57:08 AM): When you start goign after Jack, who would you say is at the most risk?
spies3Reicheru (9:57:13 AM): Of being exiled, I mean?
spies3Reicheru (9:57:19 AM): This is important... I THOUGHT it is Miles.
spies3Tenchi (9:57:27 AM): Look, during EPisode five
spies3Tenchi (9:57:35 AM): I really ahd two people left.
spies3Tenchi (9:57:39 AM): Arthur and Trina.
spies3Reicheru (9:57:57 AM): OK.
spies3Tenchi (9:58:04 AM): And we talked about things that eventually led to the realization of the Citizen Exiles being lead by Anneliese and your group.
spies3Tenchi (9:58:16 AM): Honestly, we really had NO leads other than that
spies3Reicheru (9:58:41 AM): That unfortunately is true, and I do not blame you, but you understand I have to protect Jack.
spies3Tenchi (9:58:29 AM): Thats why I dont know who was at risk at that Exile besides Jack.
spies3Tenchi (9:58:35 AM): Yes.
spies3Reicheru (9:58:51 AM): That said... who would BEBE think is the most at risk?
spies3Tenchi (9:58:47 AM): Whoa... hmmm...
spies3Tenchi (9:58:52 AM): I know Arthur suspects Bebe.
spies3Reicheru (9:59:14 AM): So do I.
spies3Tenchi (9:59:09 AM): Me Im 50:50. Im HOPING that Jessica is REALLY a cit.
spies3Reicheru (9:59:36 AM): I hope so to, and I think so. Bebe would have to say citizen either wayt
spies3Reicheru (9:59:54 AM): but i do not see her agreeing to investigate Jessica if, by doing so, she gives herself the lie if Jessica is exiled or investigated.
spies3Reicheru (10:00:10 AM): Here are my thoughts about the episoed with you, me, Jack, Claire and Bebe.
spies3Reicheru (10:00:28 AM): After I try in vain to dissuade you from going after Jack, as you know, I go to him to warn him.
spies3Reicheru (10:00:35 AM): I am gomen, but as I say, I feel I have no other choice.
spies3Reicheru (10:00:50 AM): Anywy...
spies3Reicheru (10:00:54 AM): Jack tells Bebe and Trina.
spies3Tenchi (10:00:41 AM): >< It was YOU!
spies3Reicheru (10:01:09 AM): OF COURSE IT WAS ME! I admit that to like six people... you do not hear yet?!
spies3Reicheru (10:01:16 AM): I even admit it to Bebe herself!
spies3Tenchi (10:01:06 AM): I didnt know!
spies3Reicheru (10:01:30 AM): As I say, I am sorry... but I am unable to persuade you.
spies3Reicheru (10:01:41 AM): I feel I have no other choice than to warn him... even then, I am certain he is not a spy.
spies3Reicheru (10:01:56 AM): And everyone else I am certain of, as far as citizens go, I have been right...
spies3Reicheru (10:02:01 AM): It is the spies I have got wrong.
spies3Reicheru (10:02:03 AM): But anyway...
spies3Reicheru (10:02:11 AM): I warn Jack.
spies3Reicheru (10:02:14 AM): Jack tells two peopl.e...
spies3Reicheru (10:02:21 AM): Trina (who truthfully denies saying anything to you)
spies3Reicheru (10:02:23 AM): and Bebe.
spies3Reicheru (10:02:37 AM): I take it it is Bebe who warns you about someone warning Jack.
spies3Reicheru (10:02:43 AM): The only question is, WHY does she warn you?
spies3Reicheru (10:02:50 AM): She is friends with Jack and (apparently) friends with me.
spies3Reicheru (10:03:19 AM): My immediate thought is... "If Bebe is spy, and one of her friends is at risk, she would want to encourage an anti-citizen alliance".
spies3Reicheru (10:03:34 AM): Especially someone like Jack, who has proven influential before now.
spies3Tenchi (10:03:25 AM): NO
spies3Tenchi (10:03:28 AM): TRINA warned me.
spies3Reicheru (10:04:03 AM): You are certain of this?
spies3Tenchi (10:03:52 AM): YES.
spies3Tenchi (10:03:56 AM): I have to protect Trina.
spies3Tenchi (10:04:12 AM): And yeah, I was pissed off she denied it.
spies3Tenchi (10:04:18 AM): But I understand her position.
spies3Tenchi (10:04:26 AM): She didnt want to be imprisoned
spies3Reicheru (10:04:50 AM): That is true.
spies3Tenchi (10:06:26 AM): Interesting...
spies3Reicheru (10:07:32 AM): So that is a big part of my reason for suspecting Bebe out of the window.
spies3Reicheru (10:07:36 AM): So you see i have to be sure.
spies3Tenchi (10:07:31 AM): However
spies3Reicheru (10:07:51 AM): I do not want to go and target another citizen... has there not been enough of that already?
spies3Tenchi (10:07:38 AM): I was talking to Bebe at that time too
spies3Tenchi (10:07:40 AM): but
spies3Tenchi (10:07:45 AM): about voting Jack off
spies3Tenchi (10:07:55 AM): Eww... that didnt sound right...
spies3Reicheru (10:08:15 AM): No, that is ok.
spies3Reicheru (10:08:20 AM): Was she against it?
spies3Tenchi (10:09:18 AM): I dont know. She didnt give any confirmation
spies3Tenchi (10:09:36 AM): She was very sketical with the idea. Although I do have points she says.
spies3Tenchi (10:10:39 AM): Look, if youre really a cit, you may just be the only one left being used to play this whole charade for them.
spies3Reicheru (10:13:54 AM): I am confounded right now.
spies3Tenchi (10:13:53 AM): ><
spies3Reicheru (10:14:08 AM): Ok... if I do not go for Bebe, and a large part of my case against her has been taken out by you and Jack, who DO I go for?
spies3Tenchi (10:15:31 AM): I don't know.
spies3Tenchi (10:15:42 AM): I don't even know if the Builder is real.
spies3Tenchi (10:15:55 AM): However
spies3Reicheru (10:16:10 AM): She WAS real.
spies3Reicheru (10:16:12 AM): I am certain of that.
spies3Reicheru (10:16:18 AM): Question is, is he now?
spies3Tenchi (10:16:05 AM): I would bet more that jack is a spy than you are a spy
spies3Reicheru (10:17:23 AM): Neither of us is a spy.
spies3Tenchi (10:19:18 AM): ><
spies3Tenchi (10:19:23 AM): Then who is?
spies3Tenchi (10:19:25 AM): Bebe?
spies3Tenchi (10:19:31 AM): Or Arthur?
spies3Tenchi (10:19:46 AM): How many spies are there in the original group?
spies3Tenchi (10:19:47 AM): One?
spies3Reicheru (10:20:21 AM): Well there is Jessica, Miles, you and Arthur.
spies3Reicheru (10:20:29 AM): I know I am not a spy.
spies3Reicheru (10:20:38 AM): I believe what I have been told, which is that Jack is not a spy.
spies3Reicheru (10:21:01 AM): And frankly Jack has given me so much information, he is WAS a spy and exiled, I would be able to rule out practically everyone else in our original group
spies3Reicheru (10:21:05 AM): (except you)
spies3Reicheru (10:21:12 AM): Simply because he has suspected them so much.
spies3Reicheru (10:21:32 AM): I cannot see a spy allowing this to happen.
spies3Reicheru (10:21:58 AM): As far as I know... Jack does not seriously suspect you, so if he is a spy, you may be.
spies3Tenchi (10:21:56 AM): Unless I was spreading the rumor we have the number to get Jack out
spies3Tenchi (10:22:00 AM): *numbers
spies3Reicheru (10:22:32 AM): You know I will do everything I can to oppose any effort to exile Jack.
spies3Reicheru (10:22:37 AM): I have proven that once.
spies3Reicheru (10:22:50 AM): This time I will not be so ineffective as to have to rely on a role I do not even know exists.
spies3Reicheru (10:23:13 AM): My only question is who to target instead of him... and that, Tenchi-kun, is where I stumble.
spies3Reicheru (10:23:17 AM): I am lost in a fog...
spies3Tenchi (10:23:30 AM): Unless Im being played by you too ><
spies3Tenchi (10:23:36 AM): I really have to go for Jack.
spies3Reicheru (10:24:17 AM): You remember that PM I send - the one I post in the burg?
spies3Reicheru (10:24:28 AM): The one that accuses Anne of "killing us all"?
spies3Tenchi (10:24:26 AM): Uhuh
spies3Reicheru (10:24:41 AM): I say in it that every lie I tell is to protect myself and my allies.
spies3Reicheru (10:24:46 AM): That is the truth.
spies3Reicheru (10:25:04 AM): Because despite what you must think of me, and despite my admitted incompetence in identifying spies,
spies3Reicheru (10:25:10 AM): I have NEVER been wrong about a citizen.
spies3Reicheru (10:25:14 AM): NEVER.
spies3Tenchi (10:25:03 AM): ><
spies3Reicheru (10:25:19 AM): Spies, yes. Citizens, not.
spies3Reicheru (10:25:41 AM): I think Anneliese, Shane, Jennipher and Leena are all citizens.
spies3Reicheru (10:25:46 AM): In each case, I am proved right.
spies3Reicheru (10:26:12 AM): So please take my word on Jack this time.
spies3Reicheru (10:28:07 AM): OK... I come back tomorrow night.
spies3Reicheru (10:28:14 AM): Right now I cannot think straight.
spies3Reicheru (10:28:21 AM): Oyasumi.
spies3Tenchi (10:28:22 AM): FIne fine ><
spies3Tenchi (10:28:25 AM): We will talk again