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Post by Arthur on May 18, 2007 20:50:11 GMT -5
I don't have one. Sam said that certain people may get clues or hints as to who the Spies are. I think it's about time that we get that information public. I would be willing to be the sacrificial lamb and relay the information to everyone out in the open. Nothing has been working so far, people are generally clueless, so I need to take charge.
Productive enough for you, Shane?
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Post by Jack on May 18, 2007 21:00:31 GMT -5
I will have to agree with Arthur, here. It's been three episodes. Assuming you are able to investigate one person per episode, that should help narrow things down significantly. The only downside I see to this is that whoever speaks up will be a high priority target for any spies. Additionally, posting any INNOCENT results(investigations resulting in confirmed Citizens) will make THOSE players high priority targets.
Just keep that in mind.
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Post by Arthur on May 18, 2007 21:01:01 GMT -5
Look whoever it is, just please hurry up before the next Imprisonment.
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Post by Arthur on May 18, 2007 21:04:40 GMT -5
My final comment. This will most likely be the only chance you get of someone willing to take the hit to help the Citizens overall. It seems that some people like Anneliese have come up with half-ass voting strategies to just survive deep into the game. I play to win.
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Post by Jack on May 18, 2007 22:42:34 GMT -5
Actually, I'm going to suggest whoever it is should hold off until AFTER the imprisonment, but definitely say something BEFORE the exile. That way the Spies don't try to pick off whoever it is that speaks up.
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Post by Tenchi on May 18, 2007 23:16:48 GMT -5
But the thing is, what if the people who have abilities hold off until next Imprisonment, then Arthur is Imprisoned, then the information would just be kept hidden.
Unless you special Citizens act fast, and hopefully one of you can protect Arthur before anything weird happens.
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Post by Bruce on May 19, 2007 0:53:19 GMT -5
the predicament is, of course, that who's to say Arthur isn't a very brave spy taking a big risk by being so out there? (just throwing it out there as an option, arthur, needless to say i don't actually suspect you right now) i don't have any special roles either (sucks, doesn't it?) but if i did, i wouldn't be telling just anyone, i don't think any citizens with roles should feel pressured to telling anybody about their roles. none of us have any idea how many are out there, or what they even do, but as whoever has them start to trust people, it will eventually come together. it just seems incredibly dangerous to let every role be known publically, we the citizens might find it helpful, but obviously the spies will, too., and we don't want that!
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Post by Tenchi on May 19, 2007 2:52:53 GMT -5
Just a thought.
At the case that everybody who has a role comes out, with descriptions of their roles, then I guess it would be easier to strategize.
To note:
1. The Spies cannot imprison everybody at the same time, and
2. We can have a set of confirmed Citizens.
Could this be a valid proposal?
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Post by Brooks on May 19, 2007 3:26:19 GMT -5
Anneliese you should tell eveyone about your special power  |
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Post by Arthur on May 19, 2007 6:36:02 GMT -5
the predicament is, of course, that who's to say Arthur isn't a very brave spy taking a big risk by being so out there? (just throwing it out there as an option, arthur, needless to say i don't actually suspect you right now) i don't have any special roles either (sucks, doesn't it?) but if i did, i wouldn't be telling just anyone, i don't think any citizens with roles should feel pressured to telling anybody about their roles. none of us have any idea how many are out there, or what they even do, but as whoever has them start to trust people, it will eventually come together. it just seems incredibly dangerous to let every role be known publically, we the citizens might find it helpful, but obviously the spies will, too., and we don't want that! Good point. If I am a spy, the game is basically over for the Citizens. But that's a risk that the people with abilities have will have to take. Also, I'm not going to reveal who has the information, or any roles in general. I just want the information that these people have. |
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Post by Anneliese on May 19, 2007 13:00:08 GMT -5
Brooks you should go hang yourself <3
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Post by Anneliese on May 19, 2007 13:12:32 GMT -5
Fine, as Arthur has said, I will gladly "take one for the team". Prepare to sh*t yourselves, friends, because I'm calling 4 or 5 of you out right now.
My Special Role is the Builder. I can construct a bunker to save one person per episode, similar to the Nurse ability in a normal game of Mafia. However, I need a certain amount of points to do this. 27, to be exact. So far I have 6. Each week, I get a secret word that other citizens have to post in their confessionals. If they do this, I get a point. However, if a spy posts that word, my bunker is destroyed.
So far, I have told Jack, Tenchi, Reicheru, Jessica, and Jennipher about this ability. Judging by the times I told them, I should have Jack (3), Tenchi (3), Reicheru (3), Jessica (1), Jennipher (1), and myself (3), a total of 14 points. But I have 6.
Now here's where the strategy comes in. Why would a spy post that word in their confessional? By destroying the bunker, I would immediately know who they are. Great plan, however now it's pretty obvious that I'm getting outspied by at least one person. So I recommend people start to confess their abilities as well, since mine hasn't gotten us anywhere, because people don't want to post the word I give them.
There is an alternative ability to this, and while I heavily exaggerated it to Brooks and a few others, it does have a certain nicety that saves my ass. Unless of course I'm lying. Or unless of course I'm really a spy and purposely targeted Judith.
~*~ Anneliese ~*~
*PS, good enough for you Arthur and Brooks? Good, now go get bent.
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Post by Arthur on May 19, 2007 14:00:24 GMT -5
Good enough. The Spies can't get all of us at once. Some people have abilities. Use them.
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Post by Jack on May 19, 2007 15:41:08 GMT -5
I still recommend waiting until after the Imprisonment to reveal the results. We have an extra day this episode, as well.
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2007 18:43:14 GMT -5
with out trying to be confrontational. What exactly does this mean "There is an alternative ability to this, and while I heavily exaggerated it to Brooks and a few others, it does have a certain nicety that saves my ass. " And what was the exaggeration?
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Post by Tenchi on May 19, 2007 19:00:00 GMT -5
Great... just spill all those details that only Arthur was supposed to know and we have Spies cooking up a strategy to kill us all in no time. I thought the identities was supposed to be PMed? (Sorry... I just feel bad for Annie, after three episodes of trying to keep everything quiet, now she has a huge target on her back. And from it seems, no other people are willing to take the risk. So I guess its just Arthur and Anneliese.  Just two episodes and both of them might be gone.) |
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Post by Jack on May 19, 2007 19:02:44 GMT -5
I think she's saying she can protect herself but she doesn't want to reveal exactly how she can do that in order to keep it a secret from the spies.
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2007 19:25:42 GMT -5
I just want to know, if she lied to me about something. how can I trust her now?
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Post by Jack on May 19, 2007 20:42:13 GMT -5
And what might she have lied about?
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Post by Anneliese on May 19, 2007 20:46:42 GMT -5
Claire, who says you have to trust me at all? This is a game afterall... Unless you're a spy and threatened by my power?
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2007 21:10:40 GMT -5
WTF I'M NOT A SPY DON'T F'N SAY THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THIS TO HELP US OUT. DON'T BE SO THREATENED BY ME TRYING TO KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON TO EXILE A DAMN SPY! I THINK I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ASK A QUESTION! If your ok with it, you can just PM me or we can talk over AIM.
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Post by Miles on May 19, 2007 21:42:37 GMT -5
I don't think typing in all caps helps very much, Claire. I'm curious too, what had Anneliese lied to you about?
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2007 21:46:05 GMT -5
I was just showing my frustration-Sorry. Anneliese do you mind if I post what you told me? It may not be a lie, but you said you exaggerated something to some people. In my mind exaggerating is a nice way of lying, so it may not have been a bold faced lie but a lie none-the -less.
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Post by Claire on May 19, 2007 22:31:48 GMT -5
...don't respond to me! You didn't say anything to me about a bunker! You just said that if you are imprisoned a spy goes!
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Post by Trina on May 19, 2007 22:33:04 GMT -5
Though I admit that it is definitely time for change, I don't think this is the right way to go about it. Anneliese, I applaud you for being truthful but you've just put several people, including yourself at risk. Not only did you confirm yourself as a citizen, you confirm 5 other people as being citizens as well. Sure this may be a good thing, but the spies will look at you guys as potential targets since you all are "confirmed." Becuase if what you said is true, whoever is a spy destroys the thing you built and you would know and since no one destroyed it yet? or at least I don't think so, then all the people you listed are citizens. That is a dangerous position to be in then if you are confirmed. Because you reveal such an important detail, it makes other citizens like myself unwilling to submit a word in fear that you would reveal the same information. Yes it is tempting to hold a secret together but this is not the way to handle it.
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Post by Arthur on May 19, 2007 22:43:50 GMT -5
We're on a deadline, here. I do have a PM box on this site. I urge that somebody who has hints or anything regarding Spies to put in in my box.
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Post by Carrie on May 19, 2007 23:24:31 GMT -5
No one has been confirmed as a citizen. Not Anneliese, not the 5 people she mentioned, not anyone else in the Burg. Anneliese most likely is a citizen, either that or she's a spy with a damn elaborate cover. The other 5 are just people that Anne trusted or wanted to see if she could trust.
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Post by Anneliese on May 19, 2007 23:53:24 GMT -5
...don't respond to me! You didn't say anything to me about a bunker! You just said that if you are imprisoned a spy goes! OMG   |
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Post by Shane on May 20, 2007 12:04:53 GMT -5
Arthur, while I applaud your efforts to help, this may not work. I don't think anyone with an ability, aside from Anne, are going to want to tell just anyone about it. The chance of you being a Spy when they tell you is enough to lose the game for us. It's a suicidal mistake to make a mistake here.
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Post by Bruce on May 20, 2007 12:21:43 GMT -5
here's why this is all one big bad idea.... 1. spies can make up roles. is that not obvious? we don't know how many roles there are. we saw tyson sucsessfully trick people last season. even if you are an honest citizen trying to help, there's no guarantee that the information that you're getting is truthful. what if 4 people contact you with their roles... and 3 of them turn out to be spies? we'll start working around a core of "confirmed citizens with roles" who turn out to be the spies we're looking for! and of course there's no guarantee that you get all of the truthful information anyway because i'm sure probably half of the cast at least is aware of the fact that there aren't confirmed citizens right now and don't want to dump their information that could be a spy. 2. even if the information is all truthful, what are you going to do with it? to me, it seems that the only way to use that information effectively would be to make it public and have everyone work together, as tenchi suggested. but if we do that, the spies can decide who they want to imprison and do it basicly whenever they want to. there are 19 of us left... 14 citizens and 5 spies. every episode two of us go. even if we pool all of our information together, which who's to sat that it would give an instant solution, we have 4 episodes (14 - 8 = 6. then imprisonment makes it 5-5) before we're totally screwed. in the past, citizens have been able to hit breakthrough leads without taking such an incredible risk. i don't believe that this is do or die time, if some of you do, then go for it, but this is a game that you have to play with the end objective in mind. to me, the risk outweighs any benefits of doing anything so bold this early in the game. if we normal citizens lose all of the citizens with roles to imprisonment... what do we do?? if we wait, maybe the role people will discover something and start everything in motion. and that's all that brucie has to say on the matter  |
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