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Post by Bruce on Jun 5, 2007 21:31:27 GMT -5
where is everybody? YOU'RE ALL SCARED! YOU'VE ALL GIVEN UP! barely HALF of the cast was online tonight? WHY? you made up your minds ahead of time! You decided that you were right and there was nothing else that was even an option! Well, you were all wrong. Here I was, tonight, with many suspicions, but in the end, none of them were valid enough to act on because the vast majority of the cast had already voted for Jack. So the way I see it, we can assume that Reicheru is a citizen, she was with Jack on this and he trusted her. Anneliese trusted them both. I know that I'm a citizen, I don't personally care whether any of you think I am or not, if you're too blind to see that then we'd be losing... Oh wait, we ARE losing, aren't we?! Well, here's the deal:
Taylor is a citizen.
Jordan is a citizen.
I am a citizen.
Reicheru is a citizen.
That leaves Arthur, Bebe, Brooks, Claire, Jessica, Matthew, Raphael, and Tenchi. EIGHT people. FIVE of which are spies. How is it that with such seemingly GOOD odds, we can't catch a single damn spy?! Because we're all stupid. We all constantly get duped into jumping onto a bandwagon, and then it turns out poorly, and we all say, "Well gee, that turned out poorly... I feel bad. We need to catch a spy next time!" and then we DON'T!
What does that mean? ANY of you who are NOT willing to give EVERY bit of evidence you have are either spies or deserve to burn in the pits of the shitty citizen hell. Ask yourself, do you want to be known as a shitty citizen? If not, you'd better be willing to be 100% open with EVERYBODY. Who CARES if the spies know what we think? Don't you think they might have just a slight feel for things considering they've played the Burg like a card shark playing poker with a second grade art class? None of us have ANYTHING to lose here, but EVERYTHING to gain.
This is pathetic. I'm VERY disappointed with the way things have turned out, but I'm NOT giving up because we still have a tiny chance to take five spies in a row and WIN this game, and I'm going to do it, or go down trying.
So he's the deal; I give you my suspicions on every unconfirmed (You can bitch and moan about what constitutes "confirmed" all you want, - get over it) player, and everyone can respond to their OWN accusations. I STRONGLY encourage EVERYBODY else to do the exact same thing with anyone whom they believe to not be a confirmed citizen. Why? Because this will give us ALL insight. If you read this and don't respond, then you're either a spy, or you want to lose. If we ALL respond, the spies HAVE to respond to avoid making things obvious. If the spies DO respond, then we've got public information that we can ALL work on to expose them TOGETHER. No more of this divided bullshit.
Without further adieu, the initial Bruce questions:
Arthur. You started a thread very early in the game asking for roles. You were in no way confirmed as a citizen nor was there any reason for anybody to believe so. And yet you did that anyway, why? Perhaps you're a very ARROGANT, assuming spy. It doesn't end there, though. Other than that, what did you do in the first part of this game? You did nothing. You were very unresponsive when I IM'ed you, and to my knowledge you never had any meaningful conversations concerning the game with anyone. I'm sure, though, that four people in this Burg are willing to vouch for you, though, so that does you no good.
You helped orchestrate the Miles vote. You told us all not to listen to you again if you were wrong. You WERE wrong, then you continued to give your shitty WRONG ideas to the Burg and like sheep they listened to them so strongly that half of them didn't even show up tonight, having already made up their minds.
As a subnote, WE VOTED ARTHUR AS THE MOST SUSPICIOUS PERSON IN THE DAMN BURG! WHY THE HELL ARE YOU ALL TAKING HIS ADVICE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
You're a spy in my mind, care to tell me why I should change it?
Bebe. Last episode I made a post saying that you were the key to this game. I still believe that it would have been the best course of action, but that's gone, now. Obviously the spies have to have a social player, somebody who could unassumingly be getting all of the information that they've obviously been getting. I'm almost willing to take the plunge and say that I DON'T think you're a spy, but saying that would also be saying that Jessica is not a spy, either, and I don't have any reason to believe that. So rather than defend yourself, I'd rather see you defend Jessica, because if Jessica is a spy, you are. If she isn't, you still could be, but that's a lot better than the alternative.
Brooks. You've been pretty shady for most of the game. You talk to people, but you're not overly responsive and you usually don't give any in depth feelings on the game, at least not to me, anyway. I more or less gave up trying at one point. You've managed to vote in the majority in each of the past four exiles, which seems sort of odd, to me, that anybody would so consistently be voting in the majority. Would you care to explain each of your votes? Or are you unable to explain them?
Claire. You're a bit of a mystery to me. A suspicious mystery. I began to suspect you back before the two groups of citizens merged. Your demeanor seemed to change after our identities were announced. That could have just been the difference between PM's and AIM, but it could be because your perspective on the game changed. You reacted very suspiciously to jokes about you being a spy, but since then, things haven't really been focused on you. Why not? Obviously things haven't been focused on the spies because we're not getting them out. I think that from my experience, the person who created the Spies' taunting video sounded VERY much like you. Would you like to tell me why I shouldn't believe that you made that video?
Jessica. You pushed hard for Jack to be exiled. You had a theory of how he could have used citizens to post his word for him and then imprison them. It's a VERY well thought out theory. Why would you go through the time to cook up something like that unless it was an elaborate way to get rid of the hardest working citizen of them all? The sad part is that the theory IS logically and even reasonably possible, which is why I told you that it could very well be right. But of course I also talked to Jack about it, and personally, I felt that it was crap. When I asked people in the chat room who they were voting for, it was to ensure that everyone had in fact been duped. So the question is obvious; you cooked the plan up, the citizens all bought into the plan. Why should I believe that this was an honest mistake?
Matthew. You're so damn annoying. Is it even possible that you could be a spy? Or are you really this way in reality? I hope not, for the sake of whoever is around you, but I'm not saying this to needlessly trash you or try to hurt your feelings. I'm saying this because you've been voting for a string of random people completely unrelated to what's going on in the Burg. Why? Is it that you don't want to exile citizens, so you avoid that by voting by yourself, or is it that you're a spy? Neither answer is a good one, but I'm interested to hear which it is, anyway.
Raphael. You're not online very often. In fact, you're rarely on, and when you are, you usually have an away message up. I want to bring one specific incident up, though, going back to the Jennipher vote. You had extra votes; you used them all on Jennipher. Your reasoning even ADMITTED that it was bandwagoning. WHY would you bandwagon with three votes, knowing that if it's a bandwagon, it's probably wrong? Shouldn't you have taken a LOT more care into who you decided to vote for when your vote had triple the weight of everyone else's? Claire also very subtly but adamantly defended you from Jack. Would you care to explain that, too?
Tenchi. You've been VERY hard after Jack for some time now. Your reasons are pretty clear, you've at least been able to explain yourself, so there's no reason to question you on that. Instead, I'll question you on this; why is it that you went SO hard after Jack to explain himself on the "Coming Clean" thread, but NOT after Arthur? It would seem to me that from a citizen's perspective, both of them had an equal chance of being spies, and yet you never even addressed Arthur in any way. Why would you fight so hard to bring Jack down but ignore Arthur completely, when he was just as suspicious in regards to saying things that he couldn't prove? (Actually Jack could and did prove most of what he said).
So there's the beginning. I'd better be seeing some progress to this, because if not, I'll just assume that we have a bunch of half-assed citizens who have either given up on this game or are all completely retarded dumbasses. Before people say "OMG BRUCE IS DOING THIS TO CLEAR HIS NAME!" ask yourself this, HOW is this thread bad for the citizens in any conceivable way? What have we got to lose? Nothing. You saw Sam's post. We have a 1% chance of getting a spy this round and winning the game based on what has happened throughout this game. We have NOTHING to lose. The FINALE has been announced. We're EXPECTED to lose. Well damn it, I'm not going to lose, and if you don't want to, then you must see how this thread can only do good because it should be fairly obvious who gives detailed, complete suspicions and who gives weak, made-up-on-the-spot ones.
To the spies, I DARE you to imprison me. Yes, that's right. Do you have the balls to do it? I'm interested to find out, because your situation is this:
1. You allow me to stay in the game, which of course will cause people to doubt further whether I'm a spy or not, but also runs the risk of me having extra time to drag your asses to the ground.
2. You imprison me, which only makes it obvious that everything I'm saying has actual merit and should at least be considered.
Well, do you have the balls to imprison me? Come on, you've been arrogant asses this entire game, why not stick with that until the very end? If you're as good as you THINK you all are, then you should easily be able to imprison me and get away with it, right?
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Post by Bebe on Jun 5, 2007 23:39:26 GMT -5
i admire brucie for making a brave post so i too will lay my cards on the table.
here is what i know:
taylor is a confirmed citizen
jordan is a confirmed citizen
jessica is a confirmed citizen
i am a confirmed citizen
that leaves arthur, brooks, bruce, claire, matthew, raphael, reicheru, and tenchi. and 5 of you 8 are spies. only 3 of you are not.
arthur - you said that you thought that miles, me, reicheru, jack, shane, anneliese, and jessica were spies and you wanted us all gone. well to me, everyone but reicheru on that list is a confirmed citizen, which means you gave me a list of 5 citizens to go after (the other 2 were me - i can't go after myself - and reicheru, and i don't know what reicheru is). you also wanted everyone to tell you their role and the latest rounds of people to go have all had roles. so that is fishy. on the other hand, you stood up for me to jack which i appreciate x 100 and all you had to do was sit back and let jack eat me alive for an easy exile. so i am 35-65 on you.
brooks - brucie is right, you do keep your opinions to yourself, which means that if you are exiled and revealed to be a spy you will have left very few traces behind. you tried extra hard to win the investigation and did not share your pieces with jack or tenchi, which says you may not on the same side as them. and we know jack is a citizen. there are moments when i suspect you sooooo much like when you completely flipped out on me when i accused you of being a spy and when you pushed to get miles out, and then there are moments when you say "sit back bebe i'm not voting for you" that i want to trust you. you're such a rollercoaster and with you it goes from 80-20 to 20-80 depending on what day it is or how the planets are aligned or something.
brucie - right now the spies only need to pull over 1 vote to win. if all the citizens don't band together, we lose. and you're stepping up to be the bandleader. now either you really are one of the 6 citizens who is stepping up as he should so we can finally take control of this game and win, or you are a spy playing citizen ringleader. also jack was one of those guys who believes people when they talk to them sincerely - that's why he trusted anneliese and reicheru - and you both said that you had some very sincere conversations this round. so you won him over. you're slick enough to pull that off even if you're a spy. i am 55-45 on you.
claire - you're just so crazy i don't know what to think of you. you went after jack after he publically came after you and i don't know if your spy buddies tried to do cleanup or if you genuinely thought he was a spy. you have been very vocal in defending brooks, but his team would not give you the piece you needed to win the challenge, so i have no idea why that trust is there. i am 50-50 on you cuz you haven't done anything to make me really really suspect you and that makes me suspect you. plus you voted for me.
matthew - i think that when there are 5 spies everyone needs to fill a certain role and you fill both the inactive role and the crazy role. in fact when you won "least active" you seemed very pleased, like "oh look my plan is working." you were soooo eager for me to vote out anneliese, who not only was a citizen but had a role too. you were also soooo eager to say you were voting for claire like you made a big show out of it and you wanted all of us to remember it. i am suspicious of you 60-40.
raphael - you are my buddy, the first person i met in this game. you haven't been around much tho, i know i know you are busy but still this is the most important exile yet and if you are one of the 6 citizens left you are throwing us all under the bus by being so uninformed. or maybe it is an act. you were tight with miles and did not vote for him, but you voted for jack and he turned out to be a citizen. so that vote was suspicious. i am 30-70 on you cuz i really want to believe in you.
reicheru - i know the identity of everyone in anneliese's group now except you. you have been really vocal in trying to get me out, in part i think cuz after i go you want jessica to go next. i think that you are a spy. i think that you latched on to jack and anneliese and sucked every last piece of information out of them like a vampire to hand over to your fellow spies. you are also incredibly emotional and that is a very good coverup. i think you are acting and i think i know who you are irl (this person is a good actor). so i am 80-20 on you.
tenchi - you have been trying hard to look like a real citizen, like brucie. well, i suspect brucie and i suspect you. you and reicheru were thick as thieves and then had a fall out so you appeared to be different sides and i think that was a coverup in case one of you was revealed to be a spy everyone else would think the other was not a spy. also in regards to you two appearing to be apart, you were very vocal in getting jack out which is something reicheru very vocally did not want. and when reicheru dropped out of the challenge you took her place. so i am 65-35 on you.
so there you have it. the spies can't imprison me and jessica and brucie and taylor and jordan at the same time so they will just have to take their pick. good luck to my fellow 6 citizens whoever you are and let's win this thing.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 5, 2007 23:59:17 GMT -5
When shit hits the fan... Next Episode WILL NOT be the Finale I assure you.
Point made. On surface level, I'm not suspecting Arthur since he was an ally to me. He gave as much support as he can and was willing to exchange ANY information he could. however, I must point out that Arthur seems to be online less, therefore making him "not a threat". If either were Spies, I would go for the more dangerous one.
Frankly speaking, I am not afraid to "trust a Spy". Why? It protects me from imprisonment as long as I become their source of information. But looking on Arthur as a Spy I can see two theories:
1. He's too dumb to be a spy.
2. He's a spy playing dumb with me.
Which can ALSO be said to Brooks, Matthew, Claire and Raphael (which if these five are ALL spies I will fuckin' flip over).
The only thing I doubt with these five is that they NEVER gave any SOLID theory or case as to who are the Spies. Now THAT in itself is something to note.
I'm not trying hard. I'm just doing my job, because unlike some people, I want to win this thing eventhough I'm so close to losing. Reicheru had reason to suspect me, I think it was not a "staging" something. Yes, I had to do the "boyfriend-girlfriend drama" to make things look fun. But the reality of it all is that Reicheru and I disagreed. She believes Annie's ability is 100% true (without proof) and I didn't (because I couldn't fuckin' believe Rei was a spy, which I think was right all along.)
On joining the challenge, if there is somebody to suspect there, it was the winning group of the challenge and Matthew and Brooks.
Matthew was posting FALSE clues and hints and trying to fool everyone on chat
Brooks hoarded a piece to make one team not win
The winners (Bebe and Bruce) - could have worked with the other four Spies in the challenge.
Bebe, I had my reasoins to get Jack out. I talked to him, gathered evidence, read the boards and sought to make everything fit. ONCE in this game I pushed, and I failed. But I'm not apologizing. Why? Because I tried what I can. And I tried to lift my weight.
And Im not going to stop.
I will post my thoughts on everybody else. I'm exhausted. I'm not yet throwing the towel, just need to rest for a while (and eat dinner.)
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 3:09:27 GMT -5
i admire brucie for making a brave post so i too will lay my cards on the table. brucie - right now the spies only need to pull over 1 vote to win. if all the citizens don't band together, we lose. and you're stepping up to be the bandleader. now either you really are one of the 6 citizens who is stepping up as he should so we can finally take control of this game and win, or you are a spy playing citizen ringleader. also jack was one of those guys who believes people when they talk to them sincerely - that's why he trusted anneliese and reicheru - and you both said that you had some very sincere conversations this round. so you won him over. you're slick enough to pull that off even if you're a spy. i am 55-45 on you. /quote] You're absolutely right, if I were a spy, I probably would be slick enough to win Jack over, but Jack was also a smart guy. Would I really be able to have kept him won over for a week and a half, with several long discussions about the game and what to do? Even I don't have quite that much faith in myself, but I'm glad somebody does  Is there anyway for me to prove that I was genuine with Jack? No, but if you want, I'd be glad to post all of our conversations from the past week or so right here, where they're up for being analyzed. |
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Post by Arthur on Jun 6, 2007 5:45:46 GMT -5
I think that Bruce, Raphael, Matthew, Claire, and Brooks are the Spies. All of them are boring and stupid.
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Post by Arthur on Jun 6, 2007 6:11:43 GMT -5
I think I'm going to vote Matthew, like I was going to last round. He's a "whiny little asshole". Plus he and Claire made it known that he voted for her.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 6, 2007 7:21:24 GMT -5
First of all, Trina initially warned me to the fact that Jack was not confirmed because he could have got someone else to post the word for him. I will post the chat log in my next post since it may pass the word limit if I post it in this one.
This theory had had me nervous about Jack for a while. Then his activity in the burg amplified it. First he made a thread wanting Bebe out, then he lets people argue in it, then says that him and Bebe are good in a PM to me, and we are forced to pull a last hour voting scramble that leads to Miles being ousted.
Then he outs Taylor and says he wants to go for Arthur, me, or Bruce. At this point I was leaning 55/45 towards Arthur over Jack. Then he changes his target to Claire or Brooks. At this point, I feel that Jack is more likely to be a spy then anyone else. Then I hear that people are saying that Jack is going to vote Bebe, who Jack said he patched things up with, and trusted.
The whole thing made me very suspicious that he was a spy who was trying to throw suspicion on tons of people so when whoever he landed on was exiled as a citizen, he could say "oh, I guess I was right with my other theory". And he was doing this all as a confirmed, which according to Trina's theory, there was a possibility that he wasn't.
For reference, here is who I consider confirmed:
-Jordan, duh
-Taylor, no counter claim to gift giver as well as she told the gift recipients ahead of time.
-Reicheru, getting someone to post for her TWICE has an astronomically small chance of happening
-Myself of course.
This brings me to the next reason I wanted Jack out. If Jack was a spy who made it to the next round, we were screwed. I believe that Rei is a citizen, and Rei believed Jack 100% (from what I have seen). So if Jack was a spy, he had Rei under his control. with a 6 cit - 5 spy situation, the spies only need to sway 1. My concern was that if Jack was a spy, it was game over as Rei could follow him guaranteed, and he could lead her to vote for anyone.
Call it stupidity, call it paranoia, but I did what I thought was logical. I bounced the idea off of others and they agreed that it was logical, and explained a lot of things.
One thing I want to know though Bruce, is if you thought it was crap, why didn't you say so, or at the very least, not vote along with it?
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Post by Raphael on Jun 6, 2007 7:22:21 GMT -5
Raphael. You're not online very often. In fact, you're rarely on, and when you are, you usually have an away message up. I want to bring one specific incident up, though, going back to the Jennipher vote. You had extra votes; you used them all on Jennipher. Your reasoning even ADMITTED that it was bandwagoning. WHY would you bandwagon with three votes, knowing that if it's a bandwagon, it's probably wrong? Shouldn't you have taken a LOT more care into who you decided to vote for when your vote had triple the weight of everyone else's? Claire also very subtly but adamantly defended you from Jack. Would you care to explain that, too?
First let me address the Jennipher issue. I used the votes on her because people were leading me to believe that she was a spy. I used both of the votes I had (the other was a forced self vote) on her to almost ensure that she would be gone. As for the whole bandwagoning issue, I did it because I really had no other choice at the time, from my point of view. If I believed that she was a spy based on what people had told me why not use all of them on her? And why throw votes to someone else that could potentially piss them off and come back and have them “battle” me. As you can probably see I do not like drama and do not like to get involved with it. I see it as unnecessary and it adds stress to my life, something I do not need.
As for not being online very often, I am during the day. I am a college student with a life, I have classes, exams, and finals next week. I am a very busy person and cannot put 100% of my attention/time into this game. And I don’t know if you have read many of my away messages but they usually say something like “I’m around just leave one and I should be able to get back to you” or just this week it was “working on papers, PLEASE feel free to interrupt!” Just because someone has an away message up doesn’t mean that you cannot still IM them, because who knows, they might actually be there and forget that they have the away message up because they are busy working on real life things. Also, because I am online during the day, not many other people are on as well. This is why/when I put up an away message because no one is on and I go off and do something else, leaving an away message inviting people to still IM me even though I am away.
As for Claire subtly but adamantly defending me from Jack, I cannot say. I am not Claire and I do not know her reasoning behind doing so other than the fact that she feels/knows (or what ever you want to say) that I am a citizen. I have had several conversations with her, and if she believes that I am a citizen and wants to defend me, let her. But I do not see how I can be dragged into something that I wasn’t even apart of (verbally). As I stated before, I am not Claire, I do not know how she thinks so I cannot say.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 6, 2007 7:22:25 GMT -5
For those who are interested, here is the conversation where Trina tells me her theory.
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spies3Jessica (8:21:16 PM): hello
spies3trina (8:21:32 PM): Hi Jessica
spies3trina (8:21:40 PM): are you a LOST fan?
spies3Jessica (8:21:33 PM): no
spies3Jessica (8:21:36 PM): never got into it
spies3trina (8:21:47 PM): oh lol drats.
spies3trina (8:21:58 PM): it's a good show. nothing in comparison to Heroes though
spies3Jessica (8:22:12 PM): I tried getting into it, but its just the kinds show you cant jump into
spies3trina (8:22:34 PM): exactly. You have to start from season 1
spies3Jessica (8:22:42 PM): I was so scared when sam said another exile
spies3Jessica (8:22:48 PM): I thought we had to vote on the fly
spies3trina (8:23:01 PM): i thought it meant right then and there
spies3Jessica (8:22:55 PM): yeah
spies3trina (8:23:24 PM): do you feel that its harder to trust people or gain the trust of people because you're not really "confirmed' yet
spies3trina (8:23:57 PM): like even though people say jack is confirmed, i still don't believe that to be all true.
spies3Jessica (8:23:51 PM): well, when anneliese sees that she got a point from my posting the word, I will be as confirmed as rei and jack
spies3Jessica (8:24:00 PM): but yeah, I know what you mean
spies3trina (8:24:16 PM): ok let me ask you this
spies3trina (8:24:21 PM): wait what was your word this round btw.
spies3trina (8:24:24 PM): i know what it was
spies3trina (8:24:32 PM): i wonder if it is the same.
spies3trina (8:24:38 PM): its begins with a "J" just to confirm i know
spies3Jessica (8:24:35 PM): yeah
spies3Jessica (8:24:36 PM): ju
spies3trina (8:24:51 PM): juv
spies3Jessica (8:24:44 PM): juve
spies3trina (8:24:58 PM): ok we got it lol
spies3Jessica (8:24:50 PM): lol
spies3trina (8:25:10 PM): it is these moments we share that i kinda feel
spies3trina (8:25:14 PM): that i can trust people ya know
spies3trina (8:25:31 PM): ok back onto that...when did you jack rei tenchi find out about anne's role and begin posting words
spies3trina (8:25:33 PM): or trying to
spies3Jessica (8:25:37 PM): I think it was episode 1 or 2
spies3Jessica (8:25:53 PM): I didn't get in on it until newcomer was the word
spies3trina (8:26:09 PM): ok well think of it this way..
spies3trina (8:26:11 PM): this is my thought
spies3trina (8:26:25 PM): what are the chances that...one of you, jack tenchi jess, reicheru
spies3trina (8:26:39 PM): talked to tyler, jakub, leena, audrey
spies3trina (8:26:44 PM): and said that you had a role
spies3trina (8:26:46 PM): that was the bunker
spies3trina (8:26:49 PM): and asked them to post the word
spies3trina (8:26:53 PM): dont you think a spy is smart to do that?
spies3Jessica (8:26:48 PM): hmm
spies3trina (8:27:02 PM): especially people who are antisocial
spies3Jessica (8:26:53 PM): never thought of that
spies3trina (8:27:20 PM): and people question why Leena was imprisoned
spies3trina (8:27:34 PM): or why Jack led the vote one way for Tyler
spies3trina (8:27:39 PM): and everyone was into Jakub
spies3trina (8:27:47 PM): what if jack had trust jakub a lot and knew that he was going before tyler
spies3trina (8:28:06 PM): im not trying to pin a target on jack by any means but thats why im like...jack and them is in no way conirmed
spies3Jessica (8:28:01 PM): Did jack evenm vote for tyler?
spies3Jessica (8:28:11 PM): I tihnk he voted jenn
spies3trina (8:28:27 PM): yeah
spies3Jessica (8:28:20 PM): tylers only votes were self cotes
spies3Jessica (8:28:22 PM): votes
spies3trina (8:28:35 PM): yep
spies3trina (8:28:53 PM): its jsut very hard to trust anyne at this moment. People are revealing information to Jack
spies3trina (8:28:56 PM): as well so it sucks
spies3trina (8:29:16 PM): And people are just falling for it. So i don't know.
spies3trina (8:29:24 PM): if he is a spy, he's probably the best spy in the series
spies3Jessica (8:29:20 PM): yeah
spies3Jessica (8:29:41 PM): I didn;t trust him early on, but he seems to have been thrust into the center of the citizens
spies3trina (8:29:59 PM): right
spies3Jessica (8:30:27 PM): Are you considering voting jack?
spies3trina (8:30:50 PM): i think it be suicide on my part because Ill be the lone vote
spies3trina (8:31:17 PM): and if he is a citizen, yeah its not going to look pretty lol
spies3trina (8:31:49 PM): jennipher had been thinking jack was a spy hardcore early on
spies3Jessica (8:31:41 PM): while I do like looking at stuff from every angle, I think this may be looking into it too much and crossing the lines into paranoia
spies3trina (8:31:54 PM): and she turns out to be a citizen
spies3trina (8:32:05 PM): right. and its understandable
spies3trina (8:32:22 PM): i really dont know who the target should be
spies3trina (8:32:28 PM): claire was insisting bebe
spies3trina (8:32:40 PM): and she does suspect you as well btw (dont tell her i told you)
spies3trina (8:32:49 PM): but i think other people suspect you as well
spies3Jessica (8:32:43 PM): as long as she isn;t mounting a bandwagon
spies3trina (8:33:01 PM): but there's no bandwagon right now for anyone
spies3trina (8:33:07 PM): everytime i bring up the name brooks
spies3trina (8:33:11 PM): she's always like..he's not a spy
spies3trina (8:33:17 PM): i bring up jack, she's like yeah lets go
spies3trina (8:33:21 PM): i bring up shane, she's like yeah lets go
spies3Jessica (8:33:24 PM): hmmm
spies3Jessica (8:33:37 PM): do you think maybe her and brooks?
spies3trina (8:34:04 PM): well im feeling if brooks is out, it clears clarie
spies3Jessica (8:34:16 PM): I wouldn't go as far as to say clears
spies3trina (8:34:28 PM): but i dont htink people are going to vote brooks
spies3trina (8:34:33 PM): ok well, sorta puts her down on the radar
spies3trina (8:34:42 PM): but i honestly dont know who to choose who to exile
spies3Jessica (8:34:39 PM): Brooks was my main suspect
spies3trina (8:35:00 PM): ill be willing to vote for Brooks this round
spies3Jessica (8:35:08 PM): oh, and did you stay longer than me last night at chat?
spies3Jessica (8:35:23 PM): I think i missed something but I had to leave early because of my headache
spies3trina (8:35:38 PM): i dont remmeber when you left
spies3Jessica (8:35:37 PM): a bit after sam
spies3Jessica (8:35:39 PM): I think
spies3trina (8:36:04 PM): i probably did but im not sure if my group chats are saved
spies3Jessica (8:36:14 PM): I was hoping it would be posted in the burg
spies3trina (8:36:25 PM): i know individual chats are saved but this client i use doesnt save group chats
spies3trina (8:36:37 PM): yeah but sam didnt stay for the whole time did he?
spies3Jessica (8:36:41 PM): I know he left before me
spies3trina (8:37:20 PM): yeah idont know. maybe someone else has it but i forget who was in the chat really
spies3trina (8:37:23 PM): there were so many names
spies3Jessica (8:37:41 PM): OMG
spies3Jessica (8:37:46 PM): have you seen the burg?
spies3trina (8:38:04 PM): yeah with the spy accusations and stuff
spies3Jessica (8:37:58 PM): wow
spies3Jessica (8:38:03 PM): when did that go up
spies3trina (8:38:13 PM): well not spy accusations but like notes
spies3trina (8:38:18 PM): like 30 min ago i think
spies3trina (8:38:20 PM): or around there
spies3Jessica (8:38:20 PM): have you went over it for clues?
spies3Jessica (8:38:36 PM): hmmm
spies3trina (8:38:47 PM): not really.
spies3trina (8:38:52 PM): it didnt seem to help me at all lol
spies3Jessica (8:38:57 PM): I dont think if I want to look for clues
spies3Jessica (8:39:07 PM): there could be a ton on reverse psycholgy
spies3trina (8:39:23 PM): exactly
spies3trina (8:39:34 PM): i just think its a nail in the coffin if we tried to look for exactly what is going on
spies3Jessica (8:40:22 PM): I remember hearing carries name a bit last night, but I forgot who was tossing it out
spies3Jessica (8:40:33 PM): do you know
spies3trina (8:40:48 PM): nope
spies3trina (8:40:55 PM): right now i only hear
spies3trina (8:41:03 PM): carrie, brooks, bebe
spies3trina (8:41:08 PM): carrie from you just now
spies3trina (8:41:16 PM): brooks from me , and bebe from claire
spies3Jessica (8:41:18 PM): I could have sworn I heard her name it the chat
spies3Jessica (8:41:29 PM): My headache must have been pretty bad
spies3trina (8:41:49 PM): mustve been a harsh headache then yeesh
spies3Jessica (8:41:48 PM): It was so horrible
spies3Jessica (8:42:09 PM): I think its because I have to get my glasses changed
spies3Jessica (8:43:57 PM): hmm, a quick search of " carrie" didn't yield any results
spies3Jessica (8:44:03 PM): it must have been after sam left
spies3Jessica (8:44:07 PM): or my imagination
spies3Jessica (8:44:19 PM): or possibly private IMs
spies3trina (8:45:10 PM): ooops sorry
spies3trina (8:45:12 PM): was awaygetting
spies3trina (8:45:14 PM): food lol
spies3trina (8:45:30 PM): i could try asking people if oy like
spies3trina (8:45:32 PM): you like
spies3trina (8:45:38 PM): but i dont know if that will yield any results
spies3trina (8:48:18 PM): hey i have ta go. LOST finale !
spies3trina (8:48:19 PM): ill see ya
spies3Jessica (8:48:25 PM): seeya
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Post by Claire on Jun 6, 2007 7:32:26 GMT -5
"Claire. You're a bit of a mystery to me. A suspicious mystery. I began to suspect you back before the two groups of citizens merged. Your demeanor seemed to change after our identities were announced. That could have just been the difference between PM's and AIM, but it could be because your perspective on the game changed. You reacted very suspiciously to jokes about you being a spy, but since then, things haven't really been focused on you. Why not? Obviously things haven't been focused on the spies because we're not getting them out. I think that from my experience, the person who created the Spies' taunting video sounded VERY much like you. Would you like to tell me why I shouldn't believe that you made that video?" I'm sorry to hear that you think my demeanor changed. It was when we got AIM and I didn't have to send out 1000 PM's anymore (thank goodness for that!) Besides we never talk on AIM so I don't know how you can really judge me on that anyhow, because I'm sure a spy has given you their 2 cents about me. I know there is no way to prove to you that I didn't make the video but I can assure you that I didn't make it. 1.)I don't know how to do it 2.)I have no time, I work 6 days a week and go to school, the only time i have time to be on the board or on AIM is when we are slow at work and there is no sound at work! (which really sucks when you are dying of boredom and can't even watch Lost on the web  ) And when I was able to use my home laptop to watch the video (at the exile it was revealed at) it looked like the sound clips lined up with some of the pictures, and there is no way for me to have been able to do that without sound. Could I have made it at home? I really don't think it is even possible to do it on a mac (read below) 3.)I asked my brother who is big on the film making thing and he said that looked like it was made by windows movie maker, because of the transitions or something (don't ask me because I don't know how he could tell) I have a mac. Can you even use windows on a mac? If you can, trust me I have no idea how. 4.) The video had swearing in it, I don't say the "d" word and I don't use God's name in vain. sure I use omg but that just means "oh my gosh" I'm sure I may have said a swear word once or twice this game because of those stupid spies but I wouldn't use God's name in vain...EVER! Bruce, if you would like I can take a picture of my mac with this board open and me logged in so that you can see that I really have a mac and didn't take a picture of the computer off the internet or w/e. But if you want me to do that you'll have to give me a few hours to clean my room and find the cord that I need to scan the pictures in. (you should see my room it might take me more then a few hours to find just the camera!) sorry if you don't believe me, but I really am computerly challenged. I'd like to talk to you on AIM so you can get a feel for me from your own experience. And we really have to get one of these darn spies out, so I really hope we have a chance to talk on AIM! *edited to add " and " around where I quoted since I was having troubles quoting. |
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Post by Claire on Jun 6, 2007 7:41:51 GMT -5
Bruce, don't post all the convos with Jack I don't want Sam to give you penalty votes or kick you out for cheating because then we'd be screwed. This is why:
10. You are free to copy sections of conversations to each other. You may NOT copy sets of entire conversations to other people or post them publically. Basically, some people attempt to prove they are a Citizen by posting 10-15 conversations they had with a recently-exiled Spy publically. This is not acceptable. Any posts of this nature where you copy large numbers of your conversations in an attempt to 'prove' your status will result in penalty votes or removal. You may not PM these to other people or transfer these sets of conversations in any way. (It is fine to send someone a copy of a conversation you just had with them for the purposes of posting it in your confessional.) Keep in mind that Spies will be having "Citizen conversations" with each other where they pretend to be Citizens just so they can show it to other people and 'prove' their identity.
It's on the rule page.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 6, 2007 9:42:02 GMT -5
I have my say now, in the hope that we get at least one spy out before I am imprisoned.
My suspects are ARTHUR, BEBE, BROOKS, BRUCE, CLAIRE, JESSICA, MATTHEW, RAPHAEL and TENCHI.
On the subject of Jack's role, here is part of a PM I send to three people INCLUDING TRINA before the whole Jack thing kicks in:
JACK IS CLEARED. I myself make up the theory that one of us two could ask a citizen, if we are spy, to post the word itself. This it to make sure we are not seen as "safe" and therefore in danger of imprisonment.
However, do you REALLY believe this is the case? If I asked Jakub or Leena, say, to post a specific word in their confessional, they would refuse - or at least threaten to tell someone else about it. To expose myself in that way, if I was spy, would be just plain daft.
Also, how would Jack KNOW that Anneliese could see the EXACT NUMBER OF VOTES? She does not tell us anything about this (confirm with Anneliese) until the "six vote" controversy kicks off in the Burg (after exile 3).
As far as we are concerned at the time Jack is supposed to have posted his word (during episodes one and two), the only thing Anneliese can KNOW is that the bunker has not yet been destroyed. She tells both of us specifically that she has no more information than this. Since as far as either of us is concerned there is no way to check whether we have voted or not, why would either of us risk "faking" a vote through a citizen?
FYI the other people I send this two are Anneliese and Shane.
In other words, I respond to the theory that Jack himself could make up his vote with what seems to me to be conclusive arguments against that theory. (Conclusive or not, we now know I am right.) After last exile I am so confused that I actually think it is possible someone posts a word ACCIDENTALLY. Nonetheless, from her own words I know Trina considers Jack a suspect until two episodes ago. I just find it hard believing Trina would use this argument against him after I send that PM.
And FTR it is not Trina's theory, it is something I post in the burg myself in order to keep Jack safe from being imprisoned. Check it. Unfortunately I never consider the spies using it against him in an exile.
And frankly as a theory it is so f'ing absurd that I am inclined to suspect anyone who seriously suggests it as a reason to get Jack out.
I know it is hard to believe after Judith, Carrie, Jakub and others, but does anybody seriously consider the theory that I am right all along? A tall order, I know...
The person I think is most polarizing is BEBE. I have gone, in the past two episodes, from thinking she is almost certainly a spy, to thinking she is being framed and is a citizen like Judith, to thinking she is a spy again. My original theory is that the spies work together on the "Investigation" task to make sure one of their own wins that task. On the basis of this, Bebe is obviously most suspicious to me. And her statement above raises HUGE red flags in my mind. When someone genuinely suspects me, I know it. I did with Jennipher, which is why I never really suspect her. Now I consider Bebe for a LONG time and are obviously quite vocal about this - how come she does not pick up on this and realise it is genuine?
Regarding Investigation, my theory is that at least two spies collude in the winning team so that they can make sure they get the prize for themselves. My theory originally is Miles and Bebe, but Miles is out. That leaves Bruce and Bebe. And while the statements above COULD be clever plant, I find Bruce's a lot more convincing than Bebe's.
As for Bruce, the only solid evidence I have against him is that he once says this to me in chat while we wait for Shane to be imprisoned:
Reicheru: Where is that damn imprisonment?
Reicheru: This takes forever.
spies3Bruce: hopefully you survive this one. i definitely think she's worth a look depending on who is exiled this time through
spies3Bruce: it really is taking forever, he said he had to upload it... i've seen some videos take 30 minutes to upload
Bruce, therefore, seems to know about videography at least to the extent that he has seen "some videos" take a long time to upload. (Bebe also mentions she knows the subject too in chat, I do not know if this is genuine or an effort to look open and honest.) It seems slightly odd to me that neither of them contribute anything to Jordan's "video" thread, but not too much - I say myself that that kind of analysis can be a very bad idea.
Jack tells me to trust Bruce. Bruce's post makes him look like the anti-spy to me. After these last few rounds I think Bruce is either a citizen or so damn good as a spy that he deserves to win anyway. But I also think that he and Bebe are suspicious and I think their interaction in things like this thread and the investigation COULD be planned in advance. Finally, Bruce is strongly and consistently suspicious of Arthur in the Burg.
I think the most revealing clues come from the investigation. When I first hear about it, I admit I think Miles and Bebe, not Bruce and Bebe, are spies. But I still think it is likely there are at least three or four spies in that challenge and that they cooperate.
A further piece of information you may need: Jack is given a gift by Taylor that gives him an advantage in the challenge. Yet his team still loses badly. That looks like they are being "frozen out" by the others. The three teams are:
JACK, TENCHI, BROOKS, with Tenchi replacing me after the challenge starts.
JESSICA, MATTHEW, CLAIRE in team two.
MILES, BRUCE, BEBE in team three.
The only one of my suspects NOT involved in this game is Arthur, and he is pretty low down on my list. This makes it more and more likely to me that the spies would want one of their own to win this game.
Of those nine, Jack and Miles are now confirmed citizens. Jessica is investigated and cleared by Bebe. Team three wins and Bebe earns the investigation. Would no spy take part in the discussion of who goes?
Raphael also deserves mention. He pushes to get involved in the challenge at the start, but arrives too late to participate.
Arthur strongly and publicly defends Bebe.
Jessica and Bruce strongly and publicly suspect Arthur.
Assuming there is at least one (I cannot even say two any more) spy in the original group, Arthur Tenchi and Jessica are strongly suspect.
Brooks, Arthur and Jessica are all people who strongly suspect Carrie. I think at least one spy would, just so they do not look to be consistently voting together.
Jessica never seems to question Tenchi early on, which I find interesting.
Matthew and Tenchi lead the votes against Anneliese. Tenchi leads the vote against Judith, prompted by me, but his original target is Jennipher. Anneliese, Judith and Jennipher are all citizens. In the "spies taunting" thread it says: "We will SEND THE OTHERS to spread the Judith thing then". The only person I know of who "sends others" to exile Judith is me, and I am not spy. This looks to me as though it may be an attempt to shield someone who plays a more active role. The only people that could fit is Tenchi and Jack, and Jack is a citizen.
Before the bunker is destroyed, Anneliese tells the following people: Arthur, Jessica, Jack, Bruce, Trina, and Taylor. Of those only Jessica, Arthur and Bruce are left who could destroy the bunker. It is suggested that others may have been told accidentally, but never confirmed.
I doubt all three of Arthur, Jessica and Bruce are spies.
I think either Arthur or Tenchi or both attempts to take the focus off Bebe in Jack's "calling out" thread. Probably one is genuine and one is a spy. I would go for Tenchi as the spy.
Arthur is at the very top of the suspicions list in the burg. I doubt the spies would let one of their own get to the top of it, unless it is very clever double-bluff.
Matthew, Brooks and Jack push for Claire last exile, yet few actually vote for her. Claire in turn "pushed for Arthur and Bruce".
I still think Arthur could be everyone's scapegoat.
If Tenchi is a spy, and I believe there is a good chance that he is, he is AWESOME. The spies are obviously very able. Tenchi's obsession with Jack looks like genuine citizen suspicion, and the "taunting" post in the burg appears to clear him. He also seems genuinely convinced Carrie is NOT a spy. As a spy, it is ok to be convinced of someone if you know they will be eliminated anyway...
I think spies have pushed for other spies, and probably voted for them, in the past. This makes sense if the spy pushed or voted for is not at risk at that time.
In Exile 6.5, MATTHEW is the only suspect left who does not vote for Jack. He votes Arthur instead. Matthew and Arthur publicly snipe at one another in two exiles, as well as in the Burg.
In Exile 6, RAPHAEL and MATTHEW are the only two suspects who do not vote Miles. Raphael votes Jack, Matthew votes Claire.
Perhaps the most revealing vote is Exile 4.5. Here are the votes:
Carrie is voted by JESSICA and MATTHEW.
Tenchi is voted by TENCHI and RAPHAEL. (Tenchi takes a penalty here, and his fellow spies - if he is a spy - would know this. This makes it less likely Raphael and Tenchi are spies together.)
Brooks is voted by BEBE and BRUCE.
Bebe is voted by CLAIRE, Jack by BROOKS, Miles by ARTHUR.
In Exile 4, BROOKS, CLAIRE and RAPHAEL all vote Jennipher.
Brooks is voted by BRUCE and JESSICA.
Carrie is voted by MATTHEW.
I am voted by BEBE. (Thanks for that!)
Anneliese is voted by TENCHI.
Bebe is voted by ARTHUR.
In Exile 3, only two people are voted by suspects:
Carrie is voted by ARTHUR, BROOKS, CLAIRE and MATTHEW.
Judith is voted by TENCHI, RAPHAEL, JESSICA, BRUCE and BEBE.
I think it very likely that there is a 2-3 or 3-2 split between these two, since both are strong suspects. However, clever spies might make it far less clear cut and go 4-1 or even 5-0.
Based purely on the voting, I say there is a strong chance that Matthew is spy. He looks far more "out of touch" than he perhaps is.
Matthew also keeps up his annoying "persona" and is not visibly upset at the exiles. I find it odd that he is not more upset. Everyone else is dejected... I think he puts too much effort into his persona and does not think that a genuine citizen would drop it at that point. It seems to me very suspicious.
Matthew and Arthur are outwardly hostile to each other. This could be clever role-playing, even down to Matthew's last vote.
Jessica is the only person left who votes for Jakub in the first exile revote. Arthur votes Tyler, but he comes online literally seconds before the vote is due. Unless he is on an alternative screenname, he does not have time to consult with another spy about who to vote for. Tenchi also votes Tyler.
I think the spies would either split their vote or both vote Jakub IF they have time to plan out a strategy for the revote. Arthur does not. So he and Tenchi could both be spies from that point of view.
Make what you can of that. I find Bruce's ideas interesting. Hopefully what I write gives someone else some ideas. If we all provide a different viewpoint, maybe we can combine what we know and make our decision this exile much clearer.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 13:07:04 GMT -5
I think that Bruce, Raphael, Matthew, Claire, and Brooks are the Spies. All of them are boring and stupid. very insightful post. this will go to great lengths to capture the spies. |
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Post by Taylor on Jun 6, 2007 13:13:52 GMT -5
i think i am a spy.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 13:13:59 GMT -5
Well, like I also said, I thought that logically it was POSSIBLE, and I believe I said almost those exact words to you. If you recall, right before votes were due, I asked in the chat room who was voting for who. Jack's name was the one to come up other than from Jack and Reicheru, whom I knew were voting Bebe. I asked if anyone had any better reasons, nobody gave any. So I voted Jack, and promptly IM'ed him telling him I was sorry that I had no other options available and something along the lines of me being disgusted. And I really didn't have any other REAL options, who else could I have voted for? Nobody, any vote I made would have been a throw away, so at that point banking on the tiny chance that I was wrong about Jack and that you guys were right was the best possible chance of getting a spy out. The decision had already been made, and as I'm stressing, we have to vote TOGETHER, so I did so. I did voice doubts about it being difficult for anyone to manage to get two people to post words for him and then imprison them without anyone knowing, but Jack is smart, so I allowed for the fact that he very well probably could have done it. But there was nothing else there, thanks largely in part to the fact that only half of us were online. That's why I think that we should make a group decision on who to exile right here on this thread, and then EVERYBODY vote that way. |
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Post by Matthew on Jun 6, 2007 13:28:17 GMT -5
Guys to make this clear, im not voting because i dont want to end up being included in voting a citizen. Im voting for who i think is a spy, no more no less. I dont really give a shit what the "big topic" is in the burg. Everytime its pretty much wrong. Every person exiled now i never suspected of being a spy (except Carrie, that surprised me).
Judith, no, Jennipher, no, Miles, no, Jack, HELL NO.
Im not voting for them for the 2 main reasons.
1. Im not bandwagoning.
2. I dont think theyre spies.
Dont be angry at me for not wanting to vote out citizens. Plus on the side of being annoying. Name one word i said at Exile #6.5.
Im not upset because im SICK of this, ive said it before and ill say it again, im HOPING, im not DARING you too, im ASKINGthat i get imprisoned, and leave this game with dignity. Do me a favor? K? Im tired of working with you people, because its hopeless. I mean, Anneliese, Shane, they all left the game with their dignity. Judith, Miles and them, what do they get?, the dissatisfaction of being eliminated by morons. If im getting eliminated, i want it to be by the smarter people in this game.
Im tired of reading all this long crap on why this person is a spy. If its not able to be simply explained then its not able to be easily recognized.
"Oh ____ is a spy because if ____ is a citizen and if ____ is a spy then we can prove that _____ will definitly be a spy that will show by exiling ____ something good will come out that may prove the fact of ____ being a citizen meaning ____ is a spy."
Thats basically all im seeing, im not reading through senseless crap, nor am i giving it. Ill vote for who i think is a spy. Since i know this is coming up, "Why dont you then tell us who your voting?". I do..., i say why, i say please spread the word for me i cant stay on long, i give my reasons, and then.."Matthew is the only vote for ____".
Im not even sure if im making sense in this post but this is all just bullsh*t. The fact that your blaming people for not voting in the majority when the majority is wrong EVERY FRICKIN TIME, is just..gawd i dont know anymore...
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 13:31:01 GMT -5
As for Bruce, the only solid evidence I have against him is that he once says this to me in chat while we wait for Shane to be imprisoned: Reicheru: Where is that damn imprisonment? Reicheru: This takes forever. spies3Bruce: hopefully you survive this one. i definitely think she's worth a look depending on who is exiled this time through spies3Bruce: it really is taking forever, he said he had to upload it... i've seen some videos take 30 minutes to upload Bruce, therefore, seems to know about videography at least to the extent that he has seen "some videos" take a long time to upload. (Bebe also mentions she knows the subject too in chat, I do not know if this is genuine or an effort to look open and honest.) It seems slightly odd to me that neither of them contribute anything to Jordan's "video" thread, but not too much - I say myself that that kind of analysis can be a very bad idea. Jack tells me to trust Bruce. Bruce's post makes him look like the anti-spy to me. After these last few rounds I think Bruce is either a citizen or so damn good as a spy that he deserves to win anyway. But I also think that he and Bebe are suspicious and I think their interaction in things like this thread and the investigation COULD be planned in advance. Finally, Bruce is strongly and consistently suspicious of Arthur in the Burg. I do know a LITTLE about videography, but as not as much as you'd think. I only know how long they take to upload because I'm in a band and have uploaded concert footage onto Youtube, and I spent a very log time waiting for them to upload, and then Youtube took about 3 days to review them, so I was annoyed, which helps me remember it well. And I AM an anti-spy... all of the citizens should be. I know I've been VERY bold for the past two episodes, but if I were a spy, why would I do that? Before 6.5, there really weren't that many strong suspicions of me. I'm sure people were at least wary of me, but as far as me being in any real danger, I never sensed it. Why would I suddenly jump out on a ledge and shout that Bebe was the key in 6.5? Obviously if I were a spy I can understand why I'd want to post something bold after becoming a target, but if I were really a spy, would I be stupid enough to call attention to myself when we obviously are on the road to being completely shutout by the spies? I'm being bold because this is IT, and I hate losing. I'm doing everything I can to make sure we come back from this, and I'm glad to see that others are starting to step forward and participate. But we still have a long way to go, and the only way to figure this out is to get everybody's thoughts together. |
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 13:32:09 GMT -5
Bruce, don't post all the convos with Jack I don't want Sam to give you penalty votes or kick you out for cheating because then we'd be screwed. This is why: 10. You are free to copy sections of conversations to each other. You may NOT copy sets of entire conversations to other people or post them publically. Basically, some people attempt to prove they are a Citizen by posting 10-15 conversations they had with a recently-exiled Spy publically. This is not acceptable. Any posts of this nature where you copy large numbers of your conversations in an attempt to 'prove' your status will result in penalty votes or removal. You may not PM these to other people or transfer these sets of conversations in any way. (It is fine to send someone a copy of a conversation you just had with them for the purposes of posting it in your confessional.) Keep in mind that Spies will be having "Citizen conversations" with each other where they pretend to be Citizens just so they can show it to other people and 'prove' their identity. It's on the rule page. You're right, I had completely forgotten that, thanks for telling me, Claire. Ok.... so, if anyone wants snippets of SOME of my conversations with Jack, I'd be glad to post those... |
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Post by Bruce on Jun 6, 2007 13:37:07 GMT -5
Guys to make this clear, im not voting because i dont want to end up being included in voting a citizen. Im voting for who i think is a spy, no more no less. I dont really give a shit what the "big topic" is in the burg. Everytime its pretty much wrong. Every person exiled now i never suspected of being a spy (except Carrie, that surprised me). Judith, no, Jennipher, no, Miles, no, Jack, HELL NO. Im not voting for them for the 2 main reasons. 1. Im not bandwagoning. 2. I dont think theyre spies. Dont be angry at me for not wanting to vote out citizens. Plus on the side of being annoying. Name one word i said at Exile #6.5. Im not upset because im SICK of this, ive said it before and ill say it again, im HOPING, im not DARING you too, im ASKINGthat i get imprisoned, and leave this game with dignity. Do me a favor? K? Im tired of working with you people, because its hopeless. I mean, Anneliese, Shane, they all left the game with their dignity. Judith, Miles and them, what do they get?, the dissatisfaction of being eliminated by morons. If im getting eliminated, i want it to be by the smarter people in this game. Im tired of reading all this long crap on why this person is a spy. If its not able to be simply explained then its not able to be easily recognized. "Oh ____ is a spy because if ____ is a citizen and if ____ is a spy then we can prove that _____ will definitly be a spy that will show by exiling ____ something good will come out that may prove the fact of ____ being a citizen meaning ____ is a spy." Thats basically all im seeing, im not reading through senseless crap, nor am i giving it. Ill vote for who i think is a spy. Since i know this is coming up, "Why dont you then tell us who your voting?". I do..., i say why, i say please spread the word for me i cant stay on long, i give my reasons, and then.."Matthew is the only vote for ____". Im not even sure if im making sense in this post but this is all just bullsh*t. The fact that your blaming people for not voting in the majority when the majority is wrong EVERY FRICKIN TIME, is just..gawd i dont know anymore... If you ARE citizen and you vote for ANYTHING that isn't in the majority this round, we AUTOMATICALLY lose. Do you understand that? It's not an issue of voting with the majority or not, but it is an issue of using your votes wisely. If you're the ONLY one voting for somebody, your vote means NOTHING. but this round it means EVERYTHING to the spies because there are five of them and there will only be six of us. Meaning if five spies vote for X and five citizens vote for Y and you vote for F, it ends in a tie, which will mean a revote. Then you have to vote for one or the other anyway. So why put us through that sort of prolonging? If you're a citizen, which I'm not convinced that you are, then you're a weak, scared citizen. If you have any guts at all, at least be willing to make a stand with the rest of us rather than weaseling out and casting meaningless votes. |
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Post by Matthew on Jun 6, 2007 14:03:58 GMT -5
If i stay, then its best you communicate with me with any means necessary. Because im not comin online til exile, im far too busy. Like i said i dont want to need to be online, because i want to be imprisoned. Best me then someone who should be here.
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Post by Arthur on Jun 6, 2007 14:06:27 GMT -5
Sam, why didn't you post the chat of the Exile? I don't even know how the votes all went.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 6, 2007 16:35:06 GMT -5
Arthur, everyone except Jack, Matthew and myself votes Jack. Jack and I vote Bebe, and Matthew votes you.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 6, 2007 18:21:38 GMT -5
Now would be a good time for Jordan to post something to show he does not give up...  |
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Post by Taylor on Jun 6, 2007 19:48:45 GMT -5
<- DOESNT GIVE UP.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 6, 2007 19:55:32 GMT -5
matthew please. you tried to rally votes to get anneliese out, so don't try that bullshit. you "thought" she was a spy and she wasnt.
very bold of you to ask to be imprisoned when you arent confirmed and many people think you're shady and useless........ great spy move would be to keep you around. OBVIOUSLY. ask, beg, plead - but if you are a spy, of course you will not be imprisoned.
you idiot.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 7, 2007 8:55:57 GMT -5
Right now I have around three Spy theories in mind. I think the best way to catch one is to CATCH THEM ALL. Make the five fit.
I don't really have much of the time to do this, or read all the posts in detail. I just want to say a few things that maybe some of you don't know...
1. WE HAVE TO AGREE ON SOMEONE. We have two Citizen decision scenarios: A. We agree on exiling a citizen; in this case all Spies vote with us; or B. We agree on exiling a spy; in this case all Spies would STILL vote with us. I think its useless to be divided at this time, so we have to make the most informed possible.
2. CONFIRMED CITIZENS, POST YOUR BEST THEORIES NOW. One of you will be gone (unless something magical happens again). If you want to really help out, now is the time to do so. Taylor, I think you are the most at risk since you're the gift giver. Reicheru is a close second, but she wrote all that she knows so that is good enough for me. Jessica, I know you know more than some of us do. Get your ass in here. Jordan, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE UP ON US.
3. DO NOT ASK TO BE IMPRISONED. You're just looking bad in my book. This late in the game, it really doesn't work. Why? Because the confirmed citizens will be Imprisoned (obviously) and only Spies have the HUGE guts to say so. Taylor already said this.
4. DO NOT POST CONVERSATIONS ABOUT DEAD PEOPLE. Why? We obviously have five able Spies. And they can easily make up conversations to create their own proofs. And dead people quotes CANNOT be confirmed.
5. POSTING IN THIS THREAD DOES NOT CLEAR YOU. Posting here once about you not being a spy and explaining your "spyish" activity does not really help. Think of a way of explaining things for a change (pokeARTHURBROOKSRAPHAELMATTHEWCLAIREpoke).
Kudasai...
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Post by Bruce on Jun 7, 2007 10:29:33 GMT -5
all that tenchi said should be listened to, ESPECIALLY the first point. we'll all vote for whomever the majority* of us feel has the best chance of being a spy, and that's that.
* - that of course can be overruled by the active players since with jordan MIA there are as many spies as citizens paying attention
arthur, you keep posting here, but you certainly haven't tried to do anything helpful. I guess for you the game is over because in your mind you're going to win Sunday?
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Post by Jessica on Jun 7, 2007 10:40:50 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I don't have any more knowledge than anyone else. Perhaps the team Beta chat log at the challenge? ------------------------------------------------------- spies3Claire (9:42:31 PM): where's matthew? spies3Jessica (9:42:34 PM): damn spies3Jessica (9:45:24 PM): hello spies3Matthew (9:45:38 PM): hey spies3Claire (9:45:41 PM): hiya SirSam972 (9:46:50 PM): are all 3 of you ready? SirSam972 (9:47:00 PM): this is Sorin SirSam972 (9:47:00 PM): Judge Sam spies3Claire (9:47:02 PM): yes sir sam spies3Claire (9:47:07 PM): we aren't that stupid! spies3Jessica (9:47:11 PM): yeah spies3Claire (9:48:07 PM): Piece Number 6 belongs to Team Delta. spies3Claire (9:48:32 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/aviuefr5.gif[/spies3Matthew (9:48:35 PM): Piece Number 3 belongs to Team Alpha spies3Jessica (9:48:35 PM): Piece Number 8 belongs to Team Beta. spies3Matthew (9:48:43 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/dfaoiudf4.gifspies3Jessica (9:50:08 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/aiorgeugrg7.gifspies3Matthew (9:50:19 PM): what info do you have? spies3Matthew (9:51:06 PM): im trying to learn something spies3Claire (9:51:19 PM): what? spies3Matthew (9:51:27 PM): by making a deal spies3Claire (9:51:35 PM): oh spies3Claire (9:51:37 PM): well yea spies3Claire (9:52:08 PM): matthew what are your clues? spies3Matthew (9:52:19 PM): i said it spies3Matthew (9:52:38 PM): Piece Number 3 belongs to Team Alpha spies3Claire (9:52:40 PM): found it ssorry spies3Matthew (9:52:45 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/dfaoiudf4.gifspies3Jessica (9:52:52 PM): i got 7, it has an envelope on the left and snowflake on right spies3Matthew (9:53:04 PM): i got 4 spies3Claire (9:53:07 PM): idk if that's ours though spies3Matthew (9:53:11 PM): its not spies3Claire (9:53:12 PM): i started with4 spies3Matthew (9:53:19 PM): we have 8, _ and _ spies3Claire (9:53:24 PM): 4 spies3Matthew (9:53:44 PM): claire you have 5 spies3Claire (9:54:16 PM): *printed wrong one spies3Jessica (9:54:16 PM): anyone know any that have evelope or snowflake? spies3Claire (9:55:05 PM): envelope is 4 (us) spies3Claire (9:55:14 PM): but it needs to be on the right if its ours spies3Jessica (9:55:31 PM): i got 7 and it has envelope spies3Claire (9:55:40 PM): what side is the envelope? spies3Matthew (9:55:50 PM): wait one of ours is 4? spies3Claire (9:55:57 PM): i'm pretty sure spies3Matthew (9:55:57 PM): i mean belonging TO Beta? spies3Claire (9:56:01 PM): yes spies3Matthew (9:56:05 PM): we have 8 we know that spies3Claire (9:56:07 PM): yea spies3Jessica (9:56:35 PM): 8 belongs to us i havent seen it spies3Jessica (10:00:15 PM): what do we need, im lost spies3Claire (10:00:32 PM): a pic of 8 spies3Claire (10:00:36 PM): and then our 3rd number and pic spies3Jessica (10:01:09 PM): we have 4? spies3Claire (10:01:14 PM): yes spies3Claire (10:01:15 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/dfaoiudf4.gifspies3Matthew (10:04:25 PM): we have 4 and 8 spies3Claire (10:04:32 PM): yes spies3Matthew (10:04:40 PM): okay spies3Jessica (10:06:58 PM): anyone have a alpha piece? spies3Claire (10:07:19 PM): 7 or 3 spies3Claire (10:07:23 PM): but i don't have the link spies3Jessica (10:08:43 PM): do we own 7? spies3Claire (10:09:00 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/dfaoiudf4.gif i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/aiorgeugrg7.gifspies3Matthew (10:09:14 PM): no 7 is Alpha's spies3Claire (10:09:17 PM): i know spies3Claire (10:09:20 PM): i was trying to see something spies3Claire (10:09:25 PM): i needed to post both spies3Claire (10:09:27 PM): in same post to see it spies3Matthew (10:09:37 PM): 7 is not ours spies3Claire (10:09:45 PM): I KNOW spies3Matthew (10:10:49 PM): i have determined about 2 for each spies3Matthew (10:10:56 PM): Alpha: 7,3 spies3Jessica (10:11:29 PM): what words are on 4? spies3Matthew (10:11:37 PM): Delta: 5,6 spies3Matthew (10:11:44 PM): Us: 4,8 spies3Matthew (10:11:51 PM): 1,2,9 are left spies3Claire (10:11:58 PM): i think we have 1 spies3Jessica (10:12:05 PM): like its our piece? spies3Jessica (10:12:18 PM): bruce says it is an envelope and music note spies3Jessica (10:12:33 PM): and has "the in 1975" spies3Claire (10:12:38 PM): no spies3Jessica (10:12:38 PM): is 1 ours? spies3Matthew (10:12:41 PM): im trying to get the image of #8 out of Jack spies3Claire (10:12:41 PM): that's not ours spies3Matthew (10:13:02 PM): yes it is spies3Matthew (10:13:09 PM): we have #8 spies3Claire (10:14:16 PM): no #1 isn't ours spies3Jessica (10:15:04 PM): need pic of 4 spies3Jessica (10:15:18 PM): do we have? spies3Claire (10:15:21 PM): yes spies3Matthew (10:15:24 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/dfaoiudf4.gifspies3Matthew (10:15:29 PM): 4, 8 are ours spies3Matthew (10:18:36 PM): CRAP spies3Matthew (10:18:44 PM): I HATE FRAKIN WINDOWS spies3Matthew (10:18:53 PM): Chat windows* spies3Matthew (10:19:11 PM): Jack IM'd and i meant to post all that crap in Our chat-room spies3Matthew (10:19:19 PM): but i clicked the wront box spies3Jessica (10:19:22 PM): have we seen 8? spies3Claire (10:19:31 PM): no spies3Matthew (10:19:56 PM): we need the image of 8 and 1 spies3Jessica (10:20:12 PM): bruce gave me 1 spies3Matthew (10:20:16 PM): k spies3Jessica (10:20:18 PM): cant find it though spies3Matthew (10:20:20 PM): then Alpha does have piece spies3Matthew (10:20:21 PM): 8 spies3Jessica (10:20:32 PM): the words are "the, in, 1975" spies3Jessica (10:20:49 PM): pics are envelope, and music note spies3Claire (10:20:50 PM): for 8? spies3Matthew (10:21:12 PM): wait is that it? spies3Jessica (10:21:15 PM): for 1 spies3Claire (10:21:25 PM): can you send the link? spies3Jessica (10:21:33 PM): bruce told me by mouth spies3Matthew (10:21:36 PM): ok spies3Matthew (10:21:53 PM): our pics are Envelope,Lightbulb and Music Note spies3Matthew (10:22:01 PM): our #'s are 4,8 and 1 spies3Matthew (10:22:06 PM): all we need is our words spies3Jessica (10:22:11 PM): is one ours? spies3Matthew (10:22:15 PM): yes spies3Matthew (10:22:20 PM): for sure spies3Matthew (10:22:26 PM): we need the words on #8 spies3Matthew (10:23:37 PM): A At 1993, The In 1975, ? ? ? spies3Jessica (10:23:53 PM): yeah spies3Jessica (10:23:59 PM): and 8 has our words? spies3Claire (10:25:05 PM): we have 9 spies3Claire (10:25:16 PM): not 1 spies3Matthew (10:25:16 PM): no we dont spies3Matthew (10:26:19 PM): ack well we can give it a try spies3Claire (10:26:35 PM): it's outs spies3Claire (10:26:37 PM): it matches with 4 spies3Matthew (10:26:47 PM): which? spies3Matthew (10:26:48 PM): 9? spies3Claire (10:26:51 PM): yes spies3Jessica (10:26:52 PM): so what do we have?  spies3Matthew (10:26:58 PM): 9,8,4 spies3Claire (10:27:23 PM): don't give info to alpha spies3Matthew (10:27:38 PM): we need the words on #8 and #9 then.. spies3Claire (10:27:51 PM): i57.photobucket.com/albums/g221/SorintheSeeker/asodfudffhfh9.gifspies3Jessica (10:28:01 PM): so we need who got the aaward at country music association in 1993 spies3Claire (10:28:18 PM): yes SirSam972 (10:28:30 PM): please reconvene in the main chat. if you need an invite ask a fellow villager. a team has won. please post this chat in your confessional. spies3Matthew (10:28:40 PM): crap ------------------------------------------------------- |
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Post by Arthur on Jun 7, 2007 17:01:34 GMT -5
No, for me the game is over because I'm going to lose on Sunday. I really lost interest after Miles was revealed as a Citizen.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 7, 2007 17:10:09 GMT -5
with my time most likely limited at this point... my suspicions are high of matthew, his behaviors expain themselves. begging to be imprisoned is a bold spy move. he hasnt been the highest in activity level, but has he needed to be? he's been an asshole, but again - if he's a spy, whats the worry? think long and hard about him, please. i stand by my suspicion of arthur as well, for many of the same reasons i thought jack was a spy. so if im imprisoned, good luck cits! kick ass! if not, see you kids soon |
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