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Post by Bruce on Jun 7, 2007 17:21:09 GMT -5
i agree, to me it seems that arthur, matthew, and brooks all have a high probability of being spies. with everyone else it's sort of up for discussion, but i have little doubt that those three are spies. I'll gladly vote for any one of those three without question,and while I'd like to hear other's input on this, as well, i think that it's pretty clear at this point that one of those three needs to go. whoever we can agree on works for me
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Post by Matthew on Jun 7, 2007 19:49:00 GMT -5
look, my begging for imprisonment was no "spy plan.." it merely was a beg for salvation, as i didnt want to...
A. Lose with a bunch of idiots.
B. Be eliminated by a bunch of idiots who lost the game.
C. Talk to any of you.
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Post by Brooks on Jun 7, 2007 19:53:12 GMT -5
D. YOUR A SPY!
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Post by Matthew on Jun 7, 2007 19:54:41 GMT -5
E. You are, and you just want people to be looking at me so you get away and win this game.
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Post by Brooks on Jun 7, 2007 19:55:56 GMT -5
I'll win the game, just not the way you are hoping to
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Post by Brooks on Jun 7, 2007 19:56:29 GMT -5
People have been looking at you for a while Matthew, and you're just giving us more and more reasons
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Post by Matthew on Jun 7, 2007 19:57:46 GMT -5
Look guys, if you want to exile me, go ahead, but it will result in the end of the game. But ive tried to work with you guys to find these guys in the past, and i just cant do it anymore. Im seriously, plain, damn tired, annoyed, theres too many words i could use to describe it. I mean i practically dont care what happens, sort of like Arthur, I stopped caring when Jack was exiled.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 7, 2007 19:59:03 GMT -5
Both of you, please stop the drama. Its not really helping. For all we know, both of you is staging this.
To emphasize:
5. POSTING IN THIS THREAD DOES NOT CLEAR YOU. Posting here once about you not being a spy and explaining your "spyish" activity does not really help. Think of a way of explaining things for a change (pokeARTHURBROOKSRAPHAELMATTHEWCLAIREpoke).
For one, why was Jordan imprisoned I told Reicheru my theory, try sharing yours for a change.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 7, 2007 20:03:00 GMT -5
1. YES I KNOW IT DOESNT CLEAR ME. Im not saying im a spy, im not saying im not, all i said was exile me and see what happens. I honestly dont care if you think i am or not.
2. I have no theories, i dont care what any of yours is. I just wanna know who to vote, since apparently thats all i can do, because if i get a theory, i stick with it, and results in, Matthew lone voted!
This round im riding whatever bandwagon this is.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 7, 2007 20:37:05 GMT -5
Ok well if you want my theory here it is.
Spies: Bebe, Brooks, Jessica, Arthur, Claire
in order of who i think is most likely a spy.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 8, 2007 10:51:20 GMT -5
I was planning on posting today as to who I thought was a spy and who wasn't and why. But unfortunatly I do not have the time to type it all up right now. So, PLEASE I M me when you see me on so that I can give you my explainations.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 8, 2007 19:40:36 GMT -5
Im tired of reading long posts so yeah lets make it simple:
I believe that there are three spies who are NOT contributing much to theory making or presenting themselves as inactive.
What would make this theory valid? Create a list of your top five spies, Im sure it will contain three/four of Arthur, Brooks, Matthew, Claire and Raphael. That's why we haven't been able to catch a spy.
Where's the other spy/ies? He/She (one or two) is running around in this forum/in AIM and saying suspicions and what-not.
This thing is making my head hurt... And yeah, the drama and the empty threats mean nothing.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 8, 2007 20:24:22 GMT -5
Well, I was also thinking that maybe we should all post lists of who we suspect and than from that list we see who is on top of everyone's list the most. That way we can come to some sort of agreement as to who should be exiled. That is if that is what you all still want to do. I haven't heard other wise. What do you all think?
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Post by Jessica on Jun 9, 2007 15:53:46 GMT -5
Ok, I'm gonna go ahead and break the silence by throwing out an actual suggestion.
My main secondary suspect has been Brooks for quite a long time. Now he has emerged to my #1.
When Anneliese's bunker was broken, the people who knew the word were:
Jack, Rei, Jess, Arthur, Bruce, Taylor, Trina. (I think thats everyone)
We knew that one of the people is a spy since it was broken. But lets try to go over what could have happened.
A spy in that group of people would be nervous about Anneliese getting the results back since she would see the lack of a point, or the bunker being broken. So they would need Anneliese out before she gets her results.
But if Anneliese was imprisoned, people would still be suspicious of those people since Anneliese's role wasn't public knowledge at the time. So they needed a reason to imprison her.
What better way for them to have a reason to imprison her, than to have someone reveal her role, directly or indirectly. Directly would attract suspicion to whoever revealed it, so indirectly would be their best bet.
My thought is that Brooks, hearing about Anneliese's bluffed (immunity idol) role, used that as a perfect excuse to egg Anneliese into revealing her role, or at the very least, give others a reason to imprison her.
Then they did attempt to imprison her (okay, its not 100%, but who honestly believes it wasn't Anneliese set to be imprisoned) and when it ended up failing, they had to break the bunker for lack of better options.
I know that I am not a spy, so that leaves Arthur or Bruce in my books, which is still a 50% chance. And for others, that leaves a 33% chance.
I find it a much better option to go after the enabler spy, which is definately Brooks.
That's what I think. Take it as you will, but I would like to suggest to the group that we exile Brooks.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 9, 2007 18:25:47 GMT -5
i would agree that brooks is beyond all doubt our best option for this first exiling. i mean is there anyone who DOESN'T think brooks is a spy? the only people who would say that are brooks and his fellow spies, but his fellow spies aren't going to stick up for him anyway, i'm sure. so i think i agree, jess. my first inclination would be arthur, but the fact that he WAS the most suspicious person voted by the burg gives me a slight pause in wanting to exile him first. first and foremost we have to go with what we know, and i think that we all pretty much know that brooks is the best candidate. following your line of thought regarding brooks > arthur/bruce, we could expand it further by looking at the staged 'fights' between fellow spies, which could go as far as to include matthew voting for arthur and claire, etc. etc. but also i think it's interesting how each spy seems to implement all of those others, substituting a citizen in their place. arthur posted that he thinks "that Bruce, Raphael, Matthew, Claire, and Brooks are the Spies. All of them are boring and stupid." later on, brooks tells matthew that "D. YOUR A SPY!" (bad grammar, perhaps the video maker? brooks was trying to make fake pieces in the last challenge from what i understand, so i would assume that he's pretty handy with graphics programs and all of that). matthew retorts by calling brooks the spy, etc. the problem with this, though, is that the main linking is seen between arthur, brooks, and matthew. arthur's extraneous list would include raphael and claire; matthew's would include claire, bebe, and jessica. brooks hasn't managed to even bother trying to contribute anything that appears to be helpful because he's a lazy, arrogant spy who thinks that he's won. because claire appears in both arthur and matthew's 'connectivity', i think it would be worth considering that if brooks, arthur, and matthew are all spies, that claire probably is one, too. if that's true, then we know that jessica HAS to be a citizen because at that point there would only be one spy left, and if jessica were a spy, then bebe would also have to be a spy to have lied about the results of the investigation, which would be impossible if only 1 slot was left. i can't seem to draw up a solid 5th spy right now, for that theory, but of course another option is that bebe and jessica are both spies and that they're the 4th and 5th spies, throwing claire out of the mix. but my gut argues against that. guts can be wrong, and logic usually prevails, but it's worth noting. i'd love if everyone with any theories would be willing to get them out here, too. we still have to play things pretty perfectly for the rest of the game, and to do that, we really need a melding of minds here.
***IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE ONLINE TOMORROW EVENING THEN YOU NEED TO DO WHAT IS NECESSARY TO GET YOUR INFORMED VOTE IN! EVERY VOTE COUNTS TOMORROW, WE HAVE TO DO THIS TOGETHER AND WE CANNOT HAVE ANY SLACKING!*** I am pre-voting for brooks in my confessional, just in case anything happens because my internet has been untrustworthy this week, but that's not set in stone, if anyone believes that someone else is a better choice, please speak up now, so we can all hear you out.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 9, 2007 18:27:35 GMT -5
Well, I was also thinking that maybe we should all post lists of who we suspect and than from that list we see who is on top of everyone's list the most. That way we can come to some sort of agreement as to who should be exiled. That is if that is what you all still want to do. I haven't heard other wise. What do you all think? that was my initial idea too, but unfortunately there are 5 spies and only 6 citizens, meaning that the spies can easily water down the real suspicions and use the list against us
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Post by Arthur on Jun 9, 2007 19:31:31 GMT -5
Based on some new info, I have to target Bruce this round. He's been too open and upfront all of a sudden, for one.
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Post by Raphael on Jun 9, 2007 19:59:49 GMT -5
Well, I was also thinking that maybe we should all post lists of who we suspect and than from that list we see who is on top of everyone's list the most. That way we can come to some sort of agreement as to who should be exiled. That is if that is what you all still want to do. I haven't heard other wise. What do you all think? that was my initial idea too, but unfortunately there are 5 spies and only 6 citizens, meaning that the spies can easily water down the real suspicions and use the list against us This is true, and I kind of thought of that when I posted it, but I still thought something should get started as it was/is getting closer and closer to the time of exile and no one had started the ball rolling as to who should be exiled.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 9, 2007 20:11:58 GMT -5
I will vote Bruce if others do. And I think it very likely that they will.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 9, 2007 20:20:53 GMT -5
This episode, I got a gift from Taylor. That gift told me that BROOKS IS A CITIZEN
After consulting brooks and taylor (who filled Reicheru in) we put a trap in place. I would post an accusation for someone I KNEW was a citizen, but is unconfirmed. Then a spy would hop on any bandwagon to get out a citizen this late into the game.
Judging at how Bruce jumped on the chance to get out Brooks, I am sure that Bruce is a spy. I will be voting for Bruce.
Also, Brooks, Reicheru, and Taylor can confirm that what I said is true.
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Post by Arthur on Jun 9, 2007 20:32:57 GMT -5
I have a feeling that this Bruce won't have the problem that Survivor Bruce had. Quite the opposite, in fact. This Bruce will probably be shitting all over the place very shortly.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 9, 2007 20:38:49 GMT -5
ATTENTION CITIZENS (and spies since i guess you'll be reading this too..) I, also will be voting for bruce this exile. and let me tell you why. I can confirm what jessica says above. She did get the gift of the result of an investigation that confirms that BROOKS IS A CITIZEN. Bruce jumped on that ship real damn quick, without a second though. He subtly brought up another option: Arthur, but dismissed it in favor of Brooks.... well played. I too am voting for Bruce. Unless of course another spy jumps into my headlights. I encourage all CITIZENS to keep in touch with those you can trust. Vote smart, and VOTE TOGETHER. for fucks sake .. if we lose b/c bruce is a citizen i will be more at peace than if we lose b/c some fuckwit throws away a vote or didnt pay attention. the only chance we have is to vote together. Trina's last words were "Get Bruce." This one's for you Trina!
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Post by Arthur on Jun 9, 2007 20:48:42 GMT -5
Matthew, are you listening? Don't be a fuckwit and throw away your vote. If you really are a citizen, you will help get rid of Bruce.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 9, 2007 20:53:07 GMT -5
Wow... I never thought it was going to be played that way.
Anyway, I confirm: Trina also told me to "Get Bruce" but I don't know how. ><
All I have against Brooks really is his defensiveness since Jack got pinned until now. Why bring yourself out of hiding? Is it really to help? Or is it because you're out of people to hide behind of.
I guess all the Spies should jump in the bandwagon in a few minutes like... NOW.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 10, 2007 0:09:04 GMT -5
okay... it's sad that we're going to lose like this. i've stated why i am a citizen and i can do nothing more. this is pathetic, you dimwitted fools have let the spies outmaneuver you yet again. i'm truly disappointed... don't bother looking for me, i won't be around, i'd be too disgusted to talk with any of you. to all of you past citizens, when you read this, know that i tried.... know that i did my best to try to salvage this game. spies, you played a great game. unfortunately not all of the citizens quite have the brains that some of us do, or that probably all of you do, but that can't detract from the game that you've played. i'm not going to bother with this anymore. good riddance. you failed miserably, and you've only yourselves and your own naive stupidity to blame.
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Post by Bruce on Jun 10, 2007 0:34:32 GMT -5
Grr.... I really want to try talking sense to you all, but I just don't think that most of you have the mental capacities to be capable of understanding such things... You won't see or hear from me until the Finale begins; I don't want to be disgusted by having to talk to any of you about anything pertaining to this game again, but I really am concerned with how easily you're all manipulated. Are you this way in real life? If so, you've truly got some serious problems coming up in life because people will catch on to the fact that they can make you believe anything they want. Just ask yourselves, why do you trust whoever you trust? If you can't find a very good reason, then you should withdraw that trust. Do you have any reason to trust me? Probably not; I wouldn't trust me. But do you have any real reason to trust Jessica? Or Bebe? Or Arthur? Or Brooks? Or Claire/Matthew? Probably not. I wouldn't trust them, either. This game was ours for the taking, we were going strong for a day or two, actually posting, actually giving thoughts, strategies, etc. But then suddenly all of you were duped again. Didn't you learn your lesson with Jack? Perhaps we should go back and review all of the past imprisonments... We were ALWAYS duped somehow, and it never turned out right. I just wanted to get it right once... To say that we weren't shut out, maybe even hit a 5-5 streak and WIN. But you're all blowing that now, too, and it truly pisses me off that I have to lose this game because my teammates don't know how to play it. Vote for me. Exile me. You've done it eight times, why should it be any bigger of a mistake this time? Because this time exiling a citizens means game over. This time there's no more saying "Well, we've got some more leads to work on for next time..." because there IS no next time. Why have I suddenly become vocal? Because of THAT! There IS no next time! This is it and we all needed to lay everything out in the open to come to a decision. Well, apparently you're all too stupid to make good decisions. I only regret that your loss has to be my loss, too. If you want to win, exile Brooks. If you're content with losing, then continue your current path. I don't care what you do, my enthusiasm has been shattered by the pathetic Burg around me.
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Post by Arthur on Jun 10, 2007 7:29:02 GMT -5
I have a reason to trust Brooks. The Gift Giver confirmed that he is a citizen.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 10, 2007 7:57:42 GMT -5
OK, here is some new evidence.
Two days ago I send a large PM explaining my reasons for thinking Bebe, Bruce, Tenchi, Raphael and Jessica are the spies, to everyone who is NOT on that list. Later five of the six of us open a chatroom. Taylor, me, Brooks, Arthur and Claire are there. Matthew is not.
To give us a way of posting information secretly to one another, Taylor suggests creating a proboard and somebody - I think Claire, but it is either her or Arthur - makes a mistake. They invite the only two other people online - Tenchi and Bruce - onto the board. Since proboards has a count of how many people view it at once, we immediately see that there are two more people than there are supposed to be. There should be only the five of us viewing the proboard. In fact there are seven.
Later on I create another proboard of my own to confirm how many people there would be, and that it is not just a case of some people being counted twice. This confirms that there must have been at least seven people there. But only five of us should have been there.
This to me practically confirms that at least one of Tenchi, Bruce, and AT LEAST ONE of Claire and Arthur are spies. Tenchi and Bruce are the only people, apart from the five in the chatroom, online at the time. If anyone has reason why an apparently confirmed citizen should invite two apparently confirmed spies onto a board meant solely for citizens, without telling any of the other confirmed citizens, I would love to hear it.
I do not think it is coincidence that this conflict occurs shortly after a spy receives my PM implicating Bruce, Bebe, Raphael, Tenchi and Jessica. I think the spies realise the danger that they are in and make an effort to separate themselves with mutual accusations. Maybe even they agree to sacrifice Bruce in order to make Jessica, Bebe and Tenchi look less suspicious.
I also think I have four spies right, and the most certain of these is TENCHI. So I am switching my vote.
Tonight I am voting TENCHI. I urge every citizen to join me in that vote. There is plenty of evidence against him, but the clincher is the chat last night. Only two people apart from the five who are supposed to see that proboard are online at that time, Tenchi and Bruce. I do not know whether they were invited by Claire or Arthur, yet. But I do know that two people WERE invited covertly to look at the "citizens" proboard. That seems to me fairly conclusive.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 10, 2007 7:58:06 GMT -5
Repeat: IF YOU ARE A CITIZEN, VOTE TENCHI.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 10, 2007 8:01:21 GMT -5
Also - I no longer suspect Arthur.
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