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Post by Taylor on Jun 10, 2007 11:07:14 GMT -5
Post all Evidence Here.
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Post by Taylor on Jun 10, 2007 11:15:09 GMT -5
* Anti Bandwagon.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 10, 2007 14:24:25 GMT -5
OK... Here is my case against Tenchi.
First of all, it is unlikely - although not impossible - that there is only one spy in the original fifteen. Only Tenchi, Jessica, Arthur and myself are left. Now I know I am not a spy, and Jessica has suspected Arthur from day one. This makes it less likely to me that Jessica and Arthur are spies. This to me suggests that either Tenchi and Arthur, or Tenchi and Jessica, are spies.
Second is the spies taunt thread. This appears to implicate me directly in its discussion of Judith: "We will send others to do the Judith thing". Since I know I am not a spy, I regard it as deliberate deception and look for people who are active in getting votes to exile Judith. Anneliese, Jack and Tenchi are most active. Anneliese and Jack are citizens.
Third is his suspicions this episode. In the Burg, Tenchi has thrown most suspicion on Matthew and Brooks. One is now cleared, the other seems to me the least likely spy.
Fourth and most importantly to my mind is the conflict that appears in the Burg just hours after I send my PM. Tenchi is important part of this. The spies know that I have sent that PM, because one person I do not suspect - Arthur or Claire - tips them off. Immediately they go to great lengths to discredit it by creating conflict between themselves. Why? Because they know I am right in the majority of my suspicions. Those suspicions are Bebe, Bruce, Jessica, Tenchi and Raphael. Think about it.
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 10, 2007 17:04:56 GMT -5
1. I was anti bandwagon back then. Of course, the idea is to make an informed decision, not blindly follow because Jessica/Reicheru/some other person said so. I am AGAINST people blindly following people. I was against MANIPULATION. I know Reicheru and Jessica can vouch for this. It is in a chat somewhere:
spies3Tenchi: Well, the only solid thing coming from me is the idea that we have to make an informed decision now. spies3Tenchi: You both know this. spies3Reicheru: Hai. spies3Jack: Well, if we're to make a decision with a reason, I'd have to say Jessica, because I don't have any solid reads on anyone else spies3Tenchi: If we are going to make a mistake, better we have information to use next time, rather than doing the first one blindly
Plus other quotes with dead people that Id rather not show. Im sure you have something like this in your confessional Reicheru/Jessica/Arthur (old people). Sorry Taylor for not talking to you early on about this. I should've explained.
Split votes reveal intentions of players early in the game. That why I was SO much willing to "waste" votes during the first few Exiles, especially if I knew somebody is not going. There is a HIGH chance that it will be a citizen going, and I didn't believe most of the half baked theories back then. Did it reveal something? A lot. Now I know who is just "letting themselves get manipulated" and leading Citizen Exiles.
2. I have not received any PMs in the last like week? (The last one was from Bruce, which I shared with Arthur and Reicheru). I really do not know what you're talking about. Hell, I don't even know what was the board they talked about.
3. Matthew and Brooks are the most early suspicions I have coming into episode seven. Of course, I do NOT know that Brooks is a Citizen. All I know is he ratted anneliese, he is not sharing information, did not work with me during the challenge and voted with bandwagons. Of course he is a suspect. Matthew, I need not say more. He is only on during Exiles and Challenges (the IMPORTANT stuff, its really weird an inactive would even participate in Challenge two).
4. All the other proof against me is probabilistic, and poabably the same for others. Of course I know this game would end this episode. And yeah, Im not going to get my calculator and do percentages to clear myself. Really I think its a worthless effort because NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO ME.
So yeah, go lose this game. I really dont care anymore. Im not typing any more evidence Im tired of it. Im tired of being accused wrongly and being stabbed by people I really like. In the first place, I should have not applied for this game, I think its just a way of experiencing being lied to.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 10, 2007 17:15:40 GMT -5
OK then...
One more piece of information.
Tenchi, you and Jessica support wholeheartedly the idea that Jack "fakes" a Builder post, by asking a citizen who is about to be imprisoned or exiled to do it for you. You use this theory to explain why Jack is thought to be a citizen but is in fact a spy.
BUT ANNELIESE NEVER EVEN GOT ANY IDEA OF HOW MANY POSTS THERE WERE UNTIL THE WHOLE JACK - JESSICA - REI - TENCHI CRISIS STARTED. Up until then, all she had been told, all as far as she knew she WOULD be told, is that the bunker is not demolished.
There is no mystery about this - Anneliese says it herself in the post in the burg where she accuses one of me and Tenchi of being spies in episode four. Check for yourselves.
And yet NO CITIZEN POINTS THIS OUT - except me, to Trina and others, but I am ignored. Nobody. Not one person thinks of the HUGE flaw that, apart from the absurdity of asking a citizen to post a word for you in their confessional and expecting them not to talk to anyone else about it, JACK HAS NO REASON TO FAKE A VOTE. He doesn't know the numbers of votes are being revealed. He has every reason to suspect they are NOT, from what Anneliese herself has said IN A PUBLIC POST IN THE BURG AS WELL AS A CHATROOM WHERE TENCHI AND JESSICA WERE PRESENT.
As far as Jack, Tenchi, me, Jessica and Anneliese herself knows, right up until episode four, the only information Anneliese has received or will receive is that the bunker hasn't been destroyed - nothing about the number of posts. Jack could claim to have posted TWENTY times and nobody would have any way to check whether or not he is correct. So why "fake" a vote that you don't know can be counted?
This is not rocket science. Jack has no reason to fake a "builder post" because he does not know the post counts will be shown to Anneliese. At the time he is supposed to have done it, Anneliese has told him - in front of Tenchi and Jessica - that she DOESN'T have any idea of how many posts there are. Why doesn't one of them point this out?
Because in my opinion, both are spies.
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Post by Jessica on Jun 10, 2007 17:21:05 GMT -5
At the time he is supposed to have done it, Anneliese has told him - in front of Tenchi and Jessica - that she DOESN'T have any idea of how many posts there are. Why doesn't one of them point this out? I for one don't remember being told of this, are you sure I was there?
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Post by Tenchi on Jun 10, 2007 17:27:36 GMT -5
I know that a smart spy is handling this whole thing, and it all fitted with Jack. I needed to gather ANY evidence against him. Of course you are making the same mistake I did with Jack.
Of course, I still think that either You or Bruce are spies for being the smartest people. The worse situation is Jessica and Bebe are BOTH spies and they faked the challenge results. Other than that, more spies are inactives so I'd rather take out an inactive this round.
I AM NOT VOTING FOR BRUCE, JESSICA, BEBE OR REICHERU.
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Post by Reicheru on Jun 10, 2007 17:31:14 GMT -5
To Jessica:
Actually no... you disappear for the space of two or three days while Anneliese is going round accusing you, me, Jack and Tenchi of being spies. Which is suspicious in itself. So no, I don't think you were there.
But you could hardly miss the fact, under the circumstances, that Anneliese has been told FOR THE FIRST TIME how many posts she has at the start of episode four. And besides, Anneliese - in her burg post that accuses both of us - specifically says so herself, publicly. The post is still there. It's not as if any of us could forget it.
Your theory is that Jack fakes a "post" in order to make up the numbers and show he is a citizen. Yet Jack has no idea there ARE any "numbers", and you know this. Despite this, you keep accusing him. It looks to me like you, Tenchi, and you, Jessica, wanted someone you knew was a citizen to be exiled. I can only think of one reason for this.
And to Tenchi:
It's too late to change now. We need six citizens to vote in unison. So I hope we are correct and you are a spy.
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